Proposal for a subtag registration (fr-2004-ORTOGRAF)

[Peter Constable]

You should give us some evidence that there is such a significant community asking for this. A page buried on iforum.montreal.ca with no easily-accessible links has the appearance of nothing more than an experiment by the inventors that could very well disappear tomorrow.

If you showed us that page requests from across the www.iforum.montreal.ca<http://www.iforum.montreal.ca> site with http accept-language="fr-orthograf" were going to get returned content in that variety, that would be a little better evidence. Better still would be multiple sites.


Peter

From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Mario Périard
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:56 PM
To: ietf-languages at iana.org
Subject: RE: Proposal for a subtag registration (fr-2004-ORTOGRAF)

Thousands are using 'ortograf alternativ' most of them have language disabilities and they are waiting for more support. You can think this is not a serious concern but for all of these think that is not a joke or a vanity spelling.

> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:45:44 +0000
> To: ietf-languages at iana.org
> From: everson at evertype.com
> CC:
> Subject: Re: Proposal for a subtag registration (fr-2004-ORTOGRAF)
>
> At 16:21 -0500 2007-12-07, Mario Périard wrote:
>
> > 5. Reference to published description
> > of the language (book or article):
> > ex. "Le peti prinse" the version in
> >alternate is available (you can order or
> >download it at
> ><http://www.lulu.com/content/1604695>http://www.lulu.com/content/1604695
>
> So far, I consider this a vanity orthography.
> Please supply four more books or articles written
> in the orthography, and not from samizdat
> publishers.
>
> > 6. Any other relevant information:
> >In 2004 researchers of the university of
> >Montreal (
> >http://www.iforum.umontreal.ca/Forum/ArchivesForum/2003-2004/040405/article3430.htm
> >)
>
> This article is *in* standard French.
>
> >Since then, this alternate spelling is
> >spreading. Government bodies uses it (ex. City
> >of Montreal -
> >http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=2496,3086502&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
> >)
>
> Good gods. How on earth is someone with
> "inkapasité intélêktuêl" supposed to parse "Vou
> z'alé"? What is the z' supposed to refer to?
> (That is me with my linguist's hat on criticizing
> the orthography per se.)
>
> >as well as private firms (ex. Sociétélogique -
> >http://www.societelogique.org/dev/contenu/?page=simple/bienvenue&langue=si
> >)
>
> There are more pages here than at the previous site.
>
> >Today, there are also several groups (ex.
> >http://www.ortograf.net -
> >http://www.ortograf.net)
>
> That is one group only. There is also
> http://www.ortograf.com/ which is Scrabble in
> Standard French.
>
> >promoting this spelling which currently are
> >translating books, softwares, web sites, etc. in
> >order ti give a more complete access to this new
> >spelling standard.
>
> Please list 50 distinct items, be they books, websites, or software.
>
> >A new variant subtag of the french (fr) is now
> >necessary to facilitate the process of
> >localization in the new spelling
> >
> >Livres, DVDs, gadgets, musique et bien plus.
> ><http://magasiner.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctid=8314,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=1761027&tcode=Noel>Magasinez
> >en ligne dès aujourd'hui avec Sympatico / MSN
> >Magasiner!
>
> This link has nothing in this orthography.
>
> I would like to see some more evidence that this is not a vanity orthography.
> --
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
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