LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin

Mark Davis mark.davis at icu-project.org
Tue Aug 5 03:47:57 CEST 2008


My example was apparently not clear. You wouldn't deprecate the record
containing the prefix, you'd be deprecating some subtag that is contained in
the prefix.

Mark


On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com>wrote:

>  This is the real use case, I believe. In a one-to-many relationship
> between the record and the number of prefixes, individual prefixes would
> need to be deprecated, not the whole record.
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> *From:* ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:
> ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] *On Behalf Of *Kent Karlsson
> *Sent:* Monday, August 04, 2008 4:47 PM
> *To:* ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
> *Subject:* RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin
>
>
>
> Hmm, no; I think one might want to deprecate a prefix **as a prefix**,
> while not deprecate the prefix as such.
>
>
> Type: variant
> Subtag: fubar
> Description: Fubar
> Prefix: zh [DEPRECATED]
>
> Prefix: cmn
>
> while not deprecating the language subtag zh as such.
>
>
>
>     /kent k
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:
> ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] *On Behalf Of *Mark Davis
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:27 AM
> *To:* Broome, Karen
> *Cc:* Frank Ellermann; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
> *Subject:* Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin
>
> Here would be a (made up) example.
>
> In 2005, the following gets added
>
> %%
>
> Type: variant
>
> Subtag: fubar
>
> Description: Fubar
>
> Added: 2006-09-18
>
> Prefix: sr-CS
>
> Comments: Fubar dialect of Serbian used only in CS
>
>  Now, later on in 2005,  CS gets deprecated as below.
>
> %%
>
> Type: region
>
> Subtag: CS
>
> Description: Serbia and Montenegro
>
> Added: 2005-10-16
>
> Deprecated: 2006-10-05
>
> Comments: see RS for Serbia or ME for Montenegro
>
> At this point, it is unnecessary to have structure to mark sr-CS as being a
> deprecated prefix of fubar, since a record that that prefix points (CS) to
> has been deprecated. What would be necessary, however, is to add either
> "sr-RS" or "sr-ME", or even "sr" as prefixes of fubar so that it would have
> some valid prefixes.
>
> Mark
>
>  On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com>
> wrote:
>
> If you deprecate X in the example below and not Y, can you give me an
> example of the IANA Registry Record for this scenario?
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> *From:* mark.edward.davis at gmail.com [mailto:mark.edward.davis at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Davis
> *Sent:* Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM
> *To:* Broome, Karen
> *Cc:* Frank Ellermann; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin
>
>
>
> There is no structure in 4646 or 4646bis for deprecating a prefix X for a
> subtag Y. However, the same effect would be achieved by just deprecating X,
> so I don't think we need such structure.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hmm. But deprecation occurs on the entire record. Is there a way to
> indicate that a single prefix is deprecated but not the tag? If we can add
> prefixes later, we ought to be able to deprecate them too. But I'm not sure
> how we'd do this in the current structure.
>
>
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> *From:* ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:
> ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] *On Behalf Of *Mark Davis
> *Sent:* Monday, August 04, 2008 3:53 PM
> *To:* Frank Ellermann
>
>
> *Cc:* ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
>
> *Subject:* Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin
>
>
>
> No. According to the RFC, we can add other prefixes later.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>
> wrote:
>
> Randy Presuhn wrote:
>
> > "why didn't they use '-pinyin'?"
>
> Just a theoretical thought, if we take -pinyin with prefix
> zh-Latn- now there's no way to get rid of the prefix later.
>
> So if folks later want "pinyin" with prefix cmn-Latn- and
> others, but without zh-Latn-, they'd be forced to invent
> a new variant, say -pinyin2, and that would allow them to
> deprecate -pinyin in favour of -pinyin2.
>
> If that is exactly what you want (later, when cmn exists),
> you could use -pinyin1 now, and deprecate it in favour of
> the later "real" -pinyin with the "real" prefix cmn-Latn-
> instead of the slightly "unreal" zh-Latn-pinyin1 possible
> today.
>
>  Frank
>
>
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