<div dir="ltr">My example was apparently not clear. You wouldn't deprecate the record containing the prefix, you'd be deprecating some subtag that is contained in the prefix.<br><br clear="all">Mark<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Broome, Karen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This is the real use case, I believe. In a one-to-many
relationship between the record and the number of prefixes, individual prefixes
would need to be deprecated, not the whole record. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Karen</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Karlsson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Hmm, no; I think one might want to deprecate a prefix *<b><span>as a prefix</span></b>*, while
not deprecate the prefix as such.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black;"><br>
Type: variant<br>
Subtag: fubar<br>
Description: Fubar<br>
Prefix: zh [DEPRECATED]</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black;">Prefix:
cmn</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">while not deprecating the language subtag zh as such.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;"> /kent k</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Broome, Karen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Frank Ellermann; <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Here would be a (made up)
example.<br>
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In 2005, the following gets added</p>
<pre>%%<br>
Type: variant<br>
Subtag: fubar<br>
Description: Fubar<br>
Added: 2006-09-18<br>
Prefix: sr-CS<br>
Comments: Fubar dialect of Serbian used only in CS<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Now, later on in 2005, CS
gets deprecated as below.</p>
<pre>%%<br>
Type: region<br>
Subtag: CS<br>
Description: Serbia and Montenegro<br>
Added: 2005-10-16<br>
Deprecated: 2006-10-05<br>
Comments: see RS for Serbia or ME for Montenegro</pre>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">At this point, it is
unnecessary to have structure to mark sr-CS as being a deprecated prefix of
fubar, since a record that that prefix points (CS) to has been deprecated. What
would be necessary, however, is to add either "sr-RS" or
"sr-ME", or even "sr" as prefixes of fubar so that it would
have some valid prefixes.<br>
<br clear="all">
Mark<br>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Broome, Karen <<a href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com" target="_blank">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you deprecate X in the
example below and not Y, can you give me an example of the IANA Registry Record
for this scenario?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Karen</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com" target="_blank">mark.edward.davis@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Broome, Karen<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Frank Ellermann; <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">There is no structure in 4646 or 4646bis for
deprecating a prefix X for a subtag Y. However, the same effect would be
achieved by just deprecating X, so I don't think we need such structure.<br>
<br clear="all">
Mark</p>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Broome, Karen <<a href="mailto:Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com" target="_blank">Karen_Broome@spe.sony.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hmm. But deprecation occurs on
the entire record. Is there a way to indicate that a single prefix is
deprecated but not the tag? If we can add prefixes later, we ought to be able
to deprecate them too. But I'm not sure how we'd do this in the current
structure.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Karen</span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Davis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 04, 2008 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Frank Ellermann</span></p>
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no" target="_blank">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">No. According to the RFC, we can add other
prefixes later.<br>
<br clear="all">
Mark</p>
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<p>On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Frank Ellermann <<a href="mailto:nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de" target="_blank">nobody@xyzzy.claranet.de</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Randy Presuhn wrote:<br>
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> "why didn't they use '-pinyin'?"</p>
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<p>Just a theoretical thought, if we take -pinyin with prefix<br>
zh-Latn- now there's no way to get rid of the prefix later.<br>
<br>
So if folks later want "pinyin" with prefix cmn-Latn- and<br>
others, but without zh-Latn-, they'd be forced to invent<br>
a new variant, say -pinyin2, and that would allow them to<br>
deprecate -pinyin in favour of -pinyin2.<br>
<br>
If that is exactly what you want (later, when cmn exists),<br>
you could use -pinyin1 now, and deprecate it in favour of<br>
the later "real" -pinyin with the "real" prefix cmn-Latn-<br>
instead of the slightly "unreal" zh-Latn-pinyin1 possible<br>
today.<br>
<span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);"><br>
Frank</span></p>
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