LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin

[Broome, Karen]

This is the real use case, I believe. In a one-to-many relationship between the record and the number of prefixes, individual prefixes would need to be deprecated, not the whole record.

Karen

From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Kent Karlsson
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:47 PM
To: ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
Subject: RE: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin

Hmm, no; I think one might want to deprecate a prefix *as a prefix*, while not deprecate the prefix as such.

Type: variant
Subtag: fubar
Description: Fubar
Prefix: zh [DEPRECATED]
Prefix: cmn
while not deprecating the language subtag zh as such.

    /kent k

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From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 1:27 AM
To: Broome, Karen
Cc: Frank Ellermann; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
Subject: Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin
Here would be a (made up) example.

In 2005, the following gets added

%%

Type: variant

Subtag: fubar

Description: Fubar

Added: 2006-09-18

Prefix: sr-CS

Comments: Fubar dialect of Serbian used only in CS




Now, later on in 2005,  CS gets deprecated as below.

%%

Type: region

Subtag: CS

Description: Serbia and Montenegro

Added: 2005-10-16

Deprecated: 2006-10-05

Comments: see RS for Serbia or ME for Montenegro
At this point, it is unnecessary to have structure to mark sr-CS as being a deprecated prefix of fubar, since a record that that prefix points (CS) to has been deprecated. What would be necessary, however, is to add either "sr-RS" or "sr-ME", or even "sr" as prefixes of fubar so that it would have some valid prefixes.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com<mailto:Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com>> wrote:

If you deprecate X in the example below and not Y, can you give me an example of the IANA Registry Record for this scenario?



Karen



From: mark.edward.davis at gmail.com<mailto:mark.edward.davis at gmail.com> [mailto:mark.edward.davis at gmail.com<mailto:mark.edward.davis at gmail.com>] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:07 PM
To: Broome, Karen
Cc: Frank Ellermann; ietf-languages at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages at alvestrand.no>

Subject: Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin



There is no structure in 4646 or 4646bis for deprecating a prefix X for a subtag Y. However, the same effect would be achieved by just deprecating X, so I don't think we need such structure.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Broome, Karen <Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com<mailto:Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com>> wrote:

Hmm. But deprecation occurs on the entire record. Is there a way to indicate that a single prefix is deprecated but not the tag? If we can add prefixes later, we ought to be able to deprecate them too. But I'm not sure how we'd do this in the current structure.



Karen



From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no>] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:53 PM
To: Frank Ellermann

Cc: ietf-languages at alvestrand.no<mailto:ietf-languages at alvestrand.no>

Subject: Re: LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM: pinyin



No. According to the RFC, we can add other prefixes later.

Mark

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Frank Ellermann <nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de<mailto:nobody at xyzzy.claranet.de>> wrote:

Randy Presuhn wrote:

> "why didn't they use '-pinyin'?"

Just a theoretical thought, if we take -pinyin with prefix
zh-Latn- now there's no way to get rid of the prefix later.

So if folks later want "pinyin" with prefix cmn-Latn- and
others, but without zh-Latn-, they'd be forced to invent
a new variant, say -pinyin2, and that would allow them to
deprecate -pinyin in favour of -pinyin2.

If that is exactly what you want (later, when cmn exists),
you could use -pinyin1 now, and deprecate it in favour of
the later "real" -pinyin with the "real" prefix cmn-Latn-
instead of the slightly "unreal" zh-Latn-pinyin1 possible
today.

 Frank

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