"Adult supervision"
Bound, Jim
Jim.Bound at hp.com
Wed May 7 11:51:01 CEST 2003
Keith,
Do you think saying with no other context "this will kill the Internet"
and then sitting down in a meeting is constructive?
Yes or No.
Thanks
/jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Moore [mailto:moore at cs.utk.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Edward Lewis
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no; moore at cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: "Adult supervision"
>
>
> > >After you've debated something in depth a dozen or more times it
> > >starts to get old.
> >
> > It get's old for the one who has repeated the argument 12+ times.
> > But that's no excuse for refusing to fully explain yourself to the
> > 13th+ person making the same mistake and hearing the
> argument for the
> > very first time.
>
> life is too short. because generally, we're not talking
> about an explanation,
> we're talking about an extended debate.
>
> now I'll grant that probably what should happen is that after
> about the 4th
> time you find yourself explaining something you write up a
> web page (NOT an
> RFC) and update it as necessary, and subsequently point
> people to that web
> page.
>
> > >Should IESG members really have to debate with each
> > >document author or working group chair (for instance)
> whether it's okay to
> > >assume that a device or server will only be accessible
> from a local,
> > >trusted network and that therefore no authentication is needed?
> >
> > The IESG shouldn't have to debate, no, but they should offer
> > constructive criticism and instruction in each case.
>
> it doesn't scale. what we need to find is a better way to
> teach people than
> having to tutor them one at a time.
>
> Keith
>
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