"Adult supervision"

Bound, Jim Jim.Bound at hp.com
Wed May 7 11:51:01 CEST 2003


Keith,

Do you think saying with no other context "this will kill the Internet"
and then sitting down in a meeting is constructive?

Yes or No.

Thanks
/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Moore [mailto:moore at cs.utk.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Edward Lewis
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no; moore at cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: "Adult supervision"
> 
> 
> > >After you've debated something in depth a dozen or more times it 
> > >starts to get old.
> > 
> > It get's old for the one who has repeated the argument 12+ times.
> > But that's no excuse for refusing to fully explain yourself to the 
> > 13th+ person making the same mistake and hearing the 
> argument for the
> > very first time.
> 
> life is too short.  because generally, we're not talking 
> about an explanation,
> we're talking about an extended debate.
> 
> now I'll grant that probably what should happen is that after 
> about the 4th
> time you find yourself explaining something you write up a 
> web page (NOT an
> RFC) and update it as necessary, and subsequently point 
> people to that web
> page.  
> 
> > >Should IESG members really have to debate with each
> > >document author or working group chair (for instance) 
> whether it's okay to
> > >assume that a device or server will only be accessible 
> from a local,
> > >trusted network and that therefore no authentication is needed?
> > 
> > The IESG shouldn't have to debate, no, but they should offer 
> > constructive criticism and instruction in each case. 
> 
> it doesn't scale.  what we need to find is a better way to 
> teach people than
> having to tutor them one at a time.
> 
> Keith
> 


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