ADs who are also WG chairs
jseng at pobox.org.sg
Mon Jun 30 11:00:41 CEST 2003
While I dont disagree we should document the problem of IESG dual role
as WG chairs, we should be aware that it is a secondary problem resulted
from the power granted to the WG chairs & IESG, ie. it is a problem of
balance of power.
Vach Kompella wrote:
> In one working group, a WG chair did more than recuse himself because he wanted
> to push through a draft he had co-authored. He actually stepped down from the
> chair position. I think that might be going too far. But these are
> The problem statement is more about whether the following are perceived to be
> issues or not:
> - pursuing an individual draft within a WG that one co-chairs
> - co-chairing a WG that one oversees as an AD
> I'd see the former as less of an issue, and recusal is adequate. The second is
> a bigger issue.
>>From: problem-statement-bounces at alvestrand.no
>>[mailto:problem-statement-bounces at alvestrand.no]On Behalf Of Brian E
>>Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:29 AM
>>To: James Kempf
>>Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
>>Subject: Re: ADs who are also WG chairs
>>I agree that it's amazing that ADs ever say "yes" to this (except
>>when the WG is tailing off, for example) and I think the case of
>>being a chair in the same area is definitely a conflict of interest.
>>I think recusal should cover the other cases. It is worth documenting.
>>James Kempf wrote:
>>>>One of the issues that came up in the discussion on rough consensus
>>>>is the issue of ADs being WG chairs - either in their own area or in
>>>>I do not believe this dual role aspect of IETF management is yet
>>>>in the problem draft.
>>>>Should it be?
>>>As long as the AD acting as a WG chair recluses themselves from any and all
>>>IESG decisions having to do with the WG, to avoid conflict of interest, I
>>>don't think there should be a problem. I think its somewhat more
>>>questionable if the WG is in the same area, since it removes one person from
>>>oversight, and having two technically knowledgable, independent opinions on
>>>a WG is often useful.
>>>That said, I cannot see how, given the workload, an AD can possibly do a
>>>good job as a WG chair and still expect to fufill their duties as an AD.
>>>Just on the basis of that alone, it might be sensible to consider some kind
>>>of strong disapproval, if not restriction, and make it an exceptional case.
>>>My 0.02 euro.
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