Suggestion: registration of variant subtags for Aluku, Ndyuka, and Pamaka (Suriname/French Guiana English-based Creoles)

[Broome, Karen]

Yes, erzgeb is waiting for ISO 639-3 code elements to be added to the registry.  The requestor in this case, felt it was better to wait for the updated RFC than to try to push to get gem-erzgeb. He did not have an immediate need for the tag, but expressed a desire to reopen his request when it could be associated with one of the more precise ISO 639-3 tags. There was also some conflicting information from SIL. There were a couple factors influencing the suspension of this request. We haven't lost track of this.

Regards,

Karen Broome

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From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of CE Whitehead [cewcathar at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:47 PM
To: ietf-languages at iana.org
Subject: RE: Suggestion: registration of variant subtags for Aluku, Ndyuka,     and Pamaka (Suriname/French Guiana English-based Creoles)

Hi, Addison, all.

Didn't we finally agree to hold off acting on 'erzgeb' until 'sxu' was listed in the subtag registry--that is aren't we waiting on the publication of the updated RFC 4646 to act on that variant request too?
(see:  http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/2008-March/007674.html
"Unfortunately, that means the request must wait for formal
approval until after the next revision of BCP 47, as we do not yet
actually support ISO 639-3 code elements as language subtags.
Informally, though, there's no reason why you shouldn't start using
sxu-erzgeb right away."
Also see:
http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/2008-March/007669.html)


Correct me if I'm wrong but I do not remember finally registering 'erzgeb' as a variant. So just as for Aluku, Ndyuka, and Pamaka, registration of 'erzgeb' is still to be discussed down the road, upon the publication of  the updated rfc 4646 draft?

(However, Addison is right; we did briefly consider registering 'erzgeb' as a variant of 'de' or of 'gem' before deciding to wait)

Thanks.

--C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar at hotmail.com<mailto:cewcathar at hotmail.com>



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From: addison at amazon.com
To: cewcathar at hotmail.com; ietf-languages at iana.org
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:15:22 -0800
Subject: RE: Suggestion: registration of variant subtags for Aluku, Ndyuka, and Pamaka (Suriname/French Guiana English-based Creoles)




(I assume M. Lang wants NM because MN is taken but I think we only register region codes when a UN M.49 code becomes available with no ISO 3166 code??? or else when a 3166-1 code is created with no corresponding UN M.49 code???  Both seem like odd situations???  Someone please clarify this discussion for me; I thought we only registered variants, but it seems that the language subtag reviewer can also, in some unusual circumstances, register region codes??)

We register only ISO 3166-1 and UN M.49 codes as region subtags. If and when the designation/official organization/name for a country changes, both standards usually react fairly quickly. There is no point in trying to anticipate them.

Back to the variants:  I'm fine with waiting till till  RFC 4646 is published before considering M. Vaillant's variants; (Sorry; I thought that discussion

Recte: 4646bis.

was o.k. since we had discussed "erzgeb" while waiting for a successor of RFC 4646 ; see http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/2008-March/007672.html but of course, there will -- hopefully-- not be that long a wait for RFC 4646 & it makes sense to wait!)

Please note: ‘erzgeb’ modified an *existing* language subtag. These proposals modify subtags that themselves cannot be registered until 4646bis is official.

Addison





Addison Phillips

Globalization Architect -- Lab126



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