Karen_Broome at Karen_Broome at
Tue Jan 22 21:59:14 CET 2008

As this variant is listed as being a dialect of "de" on Ethnologue, I 
support this proposal and do not see much controversy with this request. 
As Doug mentions, the script tag needs to be removed as that's assigned on 
a higher level. (I'll admit that I steered Thomas wrong here.)  A region 
tag would not work here, so a variant tag is required.

I've had discussions with Thomas offline and I'm quite convinced this is a 
legitimate request with a real-world application. Unlike "ortograf," this 
is not requested for the purpose of promoting a recently developed 
orthography -- it's allowing a widely recognized dialect distinction on a 
language with considerable history. 


Karen Broome
Metadata Systems Designer
Sony Pictures Entertainment

ietf-languages-bounces at wrote on 01/20/2008 01:11:26 PM:

> 1. Name of requester:  Thomas Goldammer
> 2. E-mail address of requester:  thogol at
> 3. Record Requested:
> Type: Variant
> Subtag: erzgeb
> Description: Erzgebirgisch
> Prefix: de
> Preferred-Value:
> Deprecated:
> Suppress-Script: Latin
> Comments:
> 4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
> Erzgebirgisch is a German dialect belonging to
> the Upper German branch. Full to nearly full
> intelligibility is given within all Erzgebirgisch
> varieties, with Vogtla"ndisch and with the
> northeasternmost local varieties of Eastern Fra"nkisch.
> Erzgebirgisch shares a lot of features with its main
> contact dialects, North Bavarian and Upper Saxon.
> Erzgebirgisch itself is divided into three main
> varieties. Eastern Erzgebirgisch shows much more
> influence of Upper Saxon and covers the easternmost
> language area as well as the whole northern part, thus
> the complete contact zone to Upper Saxon. Western
> Erzgebirgisch is spoken from Annaberg-Buchholz in the
> east to Scho"nheide (erzg. Schiehaad) in the west where
> it goes over to Vogtla"ndisch. The variety in the Harz
> mountains shows several influences by neighboring
> Lower German languages.
> There is a tradition in writing at least since the
> 18th century, but there is not yet a fixed
> orthography. Most writers adapt the Standard German
> orthography.
> 5. Reference to published description of the language
> (book or article):
> Borchers, Erich, 1929. Sprach- und Gru"ndungsgeschichte
> der erzgebirgischen Kolonie im Oberharz. [Language and
> Founding History of the Erzgebirgisch Colony in the
> Upper Harz.] Marburg: Elwert'sche Verlagsbuchhandlung.
> (grammar notes with some old texts from the 18th century)
> Susanka, Irmtraud, (ca. 1981). Wie mir drham geredt
> homm. Unsere Mundart im Bezirke Kaaden-Duppau. [How we
> have talked at home. (erzg.) Our dialect in the
> district of Kaaden-Duppau. (German)] Bayreuth: Verlag
> des Kaadner Heimatbriefs. (a collection of phrases,
> idioms and words)
> 6. Any other relevant information:
> This tag is requested for the localization of
> MediaWiki into this dialect.
> --------
> Please feel free to contact me if you need further information.
> Best regards,
> Thomas Goldammer.
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