Addition request: alsatian
Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com
Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com
Thu Jan 3 20:33:19 CET 2008
I have no objection to this tag. However, it does seem to create the
possibility (mentioned before) that the same dialect could be identified
as gsw-FR (assuming there are no other gsw dialects in France).
Is it simply up to the user to decide whether to use regional or variant
tagging? Or should some guidelines be written to indicate a preference for
variant tagging over regional tagging if both exist?
Regards,
Karen Broome
Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer at nic.fr>
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Request in the body, for the MIME-impaired.
LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
1. Name of requester: Stéphane Bortzmeyer
2. E-mail address of requester: bortzmeyer+langtag at nic.fr
3. Record Requested:
Type: variant
Subtag: alsatian
Description: Alsatian variant of Alemannic
Description: Elsässisch
Prefix: gsw
Comments:
4. Intended meaning of the subtag: There is a distinct variety of
Alemannic spoken in Alsace. It is distinct from the language spoken in
Germany and Switzerland partly for political reasons, because Alsace
has been a french province for a long time.
5. Reference to published description
of the language (book or article):
* (fr) "L'alsacien, deuxième langue régionale de France" Insee,
Chiffres pour l'Alsace no. 12, December 2002
http://www.insee.fr/fr/insee_regions/alsace/rfc/docs/cpar12_1.pdf
* (fr) Brunner, Jean-Jacques. L'alsacien sans peine. ASSiMiL,
2001. ISBN 2-7005-0222-1
* (fr) Laugel-Erny, Elsa. Cours d'alsacien. Les Editions du Quai,
1999. ISBN 978-2903548018
* (fr) Matzen, Raymond, and Léon Daul. Wie Geht's ? Le dialecte à
la portée de tous La Nuée Bleue, 1999. ISBN 2-7165-0464-4
* (fr) Matzen, Raymond, and Léon Daul. Wie Steht's ? Lexiques
alsacien et français, Variantes dialectales, Grammaire La Nuée
Bleue, 2000. ISBN 2-7165-0525-X
* (de) Frédéric Hartweg: Die Sprachen im Elsass: Kalter Krieg oder
versöhntes Miteinander?. In: Ingo Kolboom und Bernd Rill
(Hrsg.): Frankophonie -- nationale und internationale
Dimensionen. Argumente und Materialien zum Zeitgeschehen 35,
München: Hanns Seidel Stiftung, ISBN
3-88795-249-9.
http://www.hss.de/downloads/argumente_materialien_35.pdf
* (de) Hubert Klausmann, Konrad Kunze und Renate Schrambke (1994):
Kleiner Dialektatlas - Alemannisch und Schwäbisch in
Baden-Württemberg. Veröff. Alem. Inst. Frbg. Themen der
Landeskunde 6, Bühl (Baden): Konkordia, 1994.
* (de) Friedrich Maurer: Neue Forschungen zur südwestdeutschen
Sprachgeschichte. In: Sprachgeographie Beih. Wirkendes Wort. 21,
S. 119-163, Düsseldorf: Schwann, 1972.
6. Any other relevant information: Do note there exists several
"sub-dialects" (specifically between North and South of Alsace) but I
do not know if there is a comprehensive list of them yet. Do note also
that some alsatian local dialects are *not* variant of Alemannic at
all but Franconian or even Roman languages. Alsatian is still in
common use in Alsace, spoken and written. There is a localization of
Microsoft Word
(
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub4C34FD0B1A7E46B88B0653D6358499FF/Doc~E7E48128AB8C348E1BCEB1EAF2D4105EA~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
)
but I do not know if they use proper language tags.
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