Language Tag Reviewer

Brian E Carpenter brc at
Mon Feb 20 11:41:04 CET 2006

It seems obvious to me that the language tag reviewer, like anyone
else in a position of responsibility, can delegate part of his
or her role, including this part.

In this case, and especially in view of the latest IESG statement at
I would advise explicitly delegating this to the list admin.


Ned Freed wrote:
> (cc'ing the ltru list and the IESG since this concerns an approved LTRU
> document)
>>What is this crap? I mean it. I have put up with all sorts of
>>nonsense on the IETF languages list for YEARS, and I have repeatedly
>>had to BEG people to take off-topic materials elsewhere. I have
>>repeatedly made it clear that my interest in language-tag reviewing
>>is limited to LANGUAGE-TAG REVIEWING. Who is now asking me to take an
>>administrative role in running the discussion list?
> It is part of the defined duties specified by draft-ietf-ltru-registry-14.txt:
> 3.2.  Language Subtag Reviewer
>    The Language Subtag Reviewer is appointed by the IESG for an
>    indefinite term, subject to removal or replacement at the IESG's
>    discretion.  The Language Subtag Reviewer moderates the ietf-
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    languages mailing list, responds to requests for registration, and
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    performs the other registry maintenance duties described in
>    Section 3.3.  Only the Language Subtag Reviewer is permitted to
>    request IANA to change, update or add records to the Language Subtag
>    Registry.
> Now, having pointed this out, I will also say that I think this is totally
> inappropriate. IMO there is no reason why mailing list moderation duties should
> be part of the language tag reviewer's job. The skillsets sure seem disjoint to
> me and I see no advantage to be gained from requiring the same person do both.
> I will also point out that although I'm the media types reviewer I'm not the
> moderator of the media types review list, nor would I want to be. I also happen
> to be the moderator of the charsets review list but I'm not on the review team,
> and again I don't want to be. So there's ample "running code" to support the
> notion of these being separate jobs.
> I suspect this just slipped through in the LTRU registry specification without
> anyone noticing it was problematic until now, but regardless of how it
> happened, I hereby call for the text discussing the added list moderation
> responsibility of the language tag reviewer to be struck from the registry
> draft prior to its publication as an RFC. I don't especially care how this gets
> done - AUTH48 edit, new draft, new last call, whatever, as long as it happens.
> 				Ned
> P.S. I realize that with the IAB's recent (and IMO overly pedantic) ruling
> regarding the handling of non-WG list, the IESG may well be wrapped around
> an assortment of axles in regards to non-WG list moderation. Nevertheless,
> I hope this can be corrected with a minimum of fuss and furor.

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