[RTW] List is now open

[Justin Uberti]

My idea is that we will tie these various pieces together like a filter
chain, i.e.

<device> -> [encoder] -> [transport] -> [decoder] -> <video>

where the connections between pieces are made by passing URLs around. (i.e.
opening a device yields a URL for a stream, which is supplied to the
encoder; at the other end, streams coming from the decoder are identified by
a URL, which can then be passed directly to a <video> tag or WebGL texture.)

Other combinations are of course possible, such as direct access to
[transport], in the case of a web real-time game, or combining <device> ->
encoder -> websocket, for doing live (non-realtime) broadcasts.

We're still figuring out the right interfaces for encoder/decoder; for
transport, hopefully the draft I
proposed<https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://rtc-web.alvestrand.com/papers/juberti-p2ptransport-api.pdf%3Fattredirects%3D0>can
serve as a reasonable starting point.

--justin

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Stefan Håkansson LK <
stefan.lk.hakansson at ericsson.com> wrote:

>  That's right, a lot of things remain regarding protocols and other stuff.
> But IMHO <device>, StreamAPIs and <audio> and <video> should be part of the
> puzzle!
>
> --Stefan
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Silvia Pfeiffer [mailto:silviapfeiffer1 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* den 11 oktober 2010 01:23
> *To:* Stefan Håkansson LK
> *Cc:* Harald Alvestrand; rtc-web at alvestrand.no; David Singer
>
> *Subject:* Re: [RTW] List is now open
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I have seen those, thanks. That's actually the reason why I asked: because
> I have already seen it work with the <device> element and I wondered what
> the remaining challenges were. It seems there is lots of discussion about
> protocols and codecs.
>
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Stefan Håkansson LK <
> stefan.lk.hakansson at ericsson.com> wrote:
>
>>  Silvia,
>>
>> you might be interested in some experimenting we've done with media
>> streams and <device>:
>> https://labs.ericsson.com/developer-community/blog/beyond-html5-conversational-voice-and-video-implemented-webkit-gtk (you
>> can track back to earlier posts).
>>
>> BR,
>> Stefan
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* rtc-web-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:
>> rtc-web-bounces at alvestrand.no] *On Behalf Of *Harald Alvestrand
>> *Sent:* den 9 oktober 2010 10:12
>> *To:* Silvia Pfeiffer
>> *Cc:* rtc-web at alvestrand.no; David Singer
>> *Subject:* Re: [RTW] List is now open
>>
>>   On 10/09/10 03:17, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the general invite!
>>
>> I wonder: has the HTML5 device element been looked at (
>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-device/) and what are the problems with that
>> solution?
>>
>> We're the ones who have to look - and some on the list have been closely
>> involved with writing the <device> spec. It would be surprising to me if
>> they are not part of the solution - but just part.
>>
>> As far as I know, it's still not clear how to tie a <device> to a media
>> stream - given that media streams aren't defined yet, this is not very
>> surprising :-)
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Silvia.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:28 PM, David Singer <singer at apple.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool, thanks Harald
>>>
>>> as I said during the day, I'd like to separate (as much as possible) "why
>>> is real-time communications on the internet hard?" (which is true, but a
>>> subject the IETF, the ITU, and others are also grappling with) from "what is
>>> interesting/challenging about real-time communications *in the web*?" --
>>> which I take to mean in pages shown by a browser.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 4:24 , Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>>>
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