I-D Action:draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings-00.txt

[jean-michel bernier de portzamparc]

Dear Mr. Cerf,
may be could you set-up this mailing list yourself as part of the WG? The
reason why is that this is not a theorical but an architectural discussion.
As Elisabeth documents it, it will decide of the IDNA architecture. The
worst situation would be that a discussion list you called for as a Chair,
would conflict with this WG.

Best
Jean-Michel A. Bernier de Portzamparc

Folks,
> this discussion is not going to get us closer to agreement on the remaining
> task: selection of the set of characters that should undergo some kind of
> mapping prior to lookup in the DNS.
>
> Could I suggest that parties interested in this theoretical discussion move
> it to a private distribution list while the WG focuses on finalizing the
> mapping choices?
>
> thanks
>
> vint
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:58 AM, Elisabeth Blanconil wrote:
>
> I understand this. But I am refering to entropy as "a loss of information",
> as per Shannon and John. Now, I am not a mathematician here: I am a
> semantician. This because we precisely reach here (and this is the entire
> problem) the limits of mathematics. If we could quantify the entropy we
> could restore the initial information in restoring the corresponding
> negentropy.
>
> The problem we face is that mapping introduce a non quantifiable entropy.
> We definitly enter mathematical chaos field through the entropic succession
> which chains possible semantic misunderstandings.
>
> Varela (knowledge), Thom (mathematics), Cullioli (linguistics), Morin
> (complex thinking), Von Bertalanffy (systems) etc. identify linguistics,
> semantics and pragmatics as the most complex knowlege field. Here we play
> with hortotypography with an impact on semantic within different contexts.
> For those not familiar with chaos and catastrophy theories or complex
> thinking this is like the Lorentz's butterfly in Tokyo. You change a
> majuscule into a minuscule (French orthotypography) or an upper case into a
> lower case (English orthotypography) and you do not the global impact (it
> can be nill, most probably it will change the world, cf. Chaitin and co.).
> This is exactly the same as any other phishing: to make someone trust what
> he should not.
>
> Elisabeth Blanconil
>
> 2009/7/1 Eric Brunner-Williams <ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net>
>
>> Any phrasing is possible. Some mean less than others. One of my co-workers
>> was tempted to use "entropy" in a policy document recently. I prefer not to
>> use the word unless the "entropy" asserted to exist can be stated as a
>> mathematical formula. If you could make that attempt, it would be helpful.
>> Users deserve statements that purport to "explain" which are factually
>> correct.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> Elisabeth Blanconil wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/6/30 "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp <mailto:
>>> duerst at it.aoyama.ac.jp>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    A case mapping is also a 'loss of information', but one that
>>>    people clearly want.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could we not phrase this differently ? Case mapping may be considered
>>> only if it does not represent a loss of information. Otherwise should we not
>>> name it "case and entropy mapping" to explain users where entropy occurs.
>>>
>>> Elisabeth Blanconil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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