OPEN ISSUE: Quality Process WG Charter

[Margaret Wasserman]

So, do we have consensus to start the near-term WG to
improve the WG quality processes and IETF review
processes?

Several people agreed with the idea, folks seemed to
think that we should use the normal IETF process to
start this effort, and we have at least one proposal
on the table that could be considered (SIRs).  So,
is it worth holding a BOF to determine if we have
IETF consensus to start this work?

If so, has anyone proposed a BOF on this subject for
Vienna?

It would be great to see some work start up in this
area.  How can I help?

Margaret

At 04:57 AM 5/16/2003 -0400, Margaret Wasserman wrote:

>Hi Harald,
>
>At 10:40 PM 5/15/2003 +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>>timing issue.....
>>
>>is the creation of the Quality WG dependent on IETF consensus on the 
>>Problem and Process documentson this WG?
>>If yes - the WG cannot be started until after Vienna.
>>If no - the WG process can be started as soon as there appears to be 
>>reasonable consensus that the WG should be formed. It seems reasonable to 
>>expect that the WG could start before this WG produces its final output.
>
>IMO, we should start the near-term efforts described in this document
>(all four of them) as soon as there is community consensus to start
>them.  In fact, at least two of them are already underway.
>
>I don't think that the problem-statement group should cause a delay
>in our efforts to improve outselves.
>
>>identity issue....
>>
>>is this WG in parallel to, in cooperation with, or orthogonal to, the 
>>proposal to form a WG (that is, an activity with a charter) focusing on 
>>training/education/leader development for the IETF?
>
>There are four near-term efforts identified in the document that
>can proceed immediately and in parallel:
>
>         - WG quality processes (the WG you're talking about).
>         - Training/Education (this is only defined as an
>                 "effort" in the document, not explicitly as
>                 a WG -- that discussion didn't start until
>                 after I published the document).
>         - Identifying/deploying tools for issue tracking and
>                 document revision control.
>         - Promoting/increasing communication between WG chairs.
>
>Hopefully all of the near-term efforts will spin-up while we are
>still trying to define and start the longer-term effort which
>will:
>
>         - Improve the scalability and effectiveness of the
>                 management structure of the IETF (i.e.
>                 reorganize).
>         - Update the standards-track document processes to
>                 be more effective and timely.
>
>If you've read the document carefully and this is unclear, please
>let me know, so that I can attempt to make it clearer.
>
>Thanks,
>Margaret
>
>