IESG restructuring (Re: Example of the One Liners out of context)

[Eric Rescorla]

Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no> writes:

> what do other people think here?
Maybe I've misunderstood Randy, but "real work vs. politics"
strikes me as a false opposition. Getting real work done in
organizations with more than a few people who have divergent
goals is an inherently political activity. Sure, that sort
of politics can be conducted in a more or less civilized
manner, but I don't think it's really avoidable.

-Ekr

> --On søndag, mai 25, 2003 07:25:22 -0700 Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> 
> > i do not think that adding a process director to the iesg is
> > constructive, and would be in fact destructive.  we don't need to
> > politicize the wgs, iesg, secretariat as we already have this wg.
> > we should leave some parts of the organization to do actual ietf
> > work.
> >
> > and all this seems like so much red herring, without even sour
> > cream, but plenty of confrontationalism, polarization, etc.  no
> > real substance, all politics, at which we engnineers are so expert
> > (not).  so we destroy our organization and our culture with it.
> > omplalo-sepsis.
> >
> > dunno about you, but i spent years in the iso, ieee, ansi, ...  i
> > came here to get engineering work done, not play amateur power
> > politics, voting blocks, ....  the focus on real work has been the
> > ietf's strength and the root of its success.  i suggest we play to
> > our strengths, not divisiveness, mud-slinging, and demagoguery.
> >
> > randy
> >
> >
> 
> 

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