My thoughts about the problems of the IETF

Bound, Jim Jim.Bound at hp.com
Mon May 5 23:28:38 CEST 2003


The problem to me is as Ted put it.  But I do think better minutes is
required.
/jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bound, Jim 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:18 PM
> To: Jonne.Soininen at nokia.com; moore at cs.utk.edu; harald at alvestrand.no
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: RE: My thoughts about the problems of the IETF
> 
> 
> The IESG being more open I think is the jist folks.
> 
> IESG below means the body and function not individuals 
> 
> Does anyone think the IESG is perfect?
> Does anyone not think that the IESG owns a share of the 
> problems in the IETF? Does anyone think that the IESG is 
> capable of handling all the current work?
> 
> And we should get the IESG members out of the room with the 
> nomcom committee for the next nomcom they have no business in 
> there at all.  
> 
> /jim
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonne.Soininen at nokia.com [mailto:Jonne.Soininen at nokia.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:48 PM
> > To: moore at cs.utk.edu; harald at alvestrand.no
> > Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> > Subject: RE: My thoughts about the problems of the IETF
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Keith,
> > > and as far as I can tell, they're about as good as 
> minutes ever get, 
> > > and
> > > (fwiw) far better than the minutes of most WG meetings.
> > > 
> > > even if not terribly detailed, they're still useful as a record of
> > > exactly what got decided and what didn't, along with some 
> > occasional
> > > background.
> > 
> > I would not completely agree with you. I agree that they are
> > better than nothing, but they can hardly be even considered 
> > as meeting minutes. They tend to list only the results of the 
> > meeting but no actual discussions. In addition, what I would 
> > like to see is also the IESG meeting agendas (before the 
> > meetings), and the meeting calendar. I think these would help 
> > the people to see if their favorite documents are progressing 
> > and when. This should not be too much trouble for the IESG 
> > (or maybe these are the chair's job... ;)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Jonne.
> > 
> 


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