rough consensus (was Re: "trouble maker")

[Brian E Carpenter]

Phill,

I don't see the relevance, since we all participate as individuals
in the IETF, but since you mention it, here are some facts.

ISOC went to a great deal of trouble to ensure that the .org registry
is operated independently of ISOC, by an independent non-profit corporation,
with a for-profit subcontractor actually operating the machinery. That
suncontractor might be considered a competitor of other registry
operators.

This was very carefully designed to avoid conflict of interest for
ISOC. I was one of the ISOC Board Members who insisted on this.

  Brian

"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" wrote:
> 
> ISOC is a direct competitor to VeriSign in management of DNS registries.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley.ibm.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:35 PM
> > To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> > Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> > Subject: Re: rough consensus (was Re: "trouble maker")
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" wrote:
> > >
> > > And who hears the appeal? - A committee where the
> > individual responsible for
> > > the abuses has audience rights and I do not.
> >
> > Not at all. The IAB has several times held open hearings on
> > appeals, for
> > good reason. And by the way, unfairness in the appeals process would
> > seem like reasonable grounds for a final appeal to the ISOC Board.
> >
> > ...
> > >
> > > If we are going to have a discussion about PROBLEM then
> > discussion of
> > > specific failures of the process would seem to be a good
> > starting point.
> >
> > But if the appeal process and/or the recall process haven't
> > been used, you
> > simply can't assert a process failure.
> >
> > > If we are ever going to get to a SOLUTION it would be good
> > to start hearing
> > > that others accept that I am not the only person making the
> > complaint about
> > > autocratic top down proceedures and that they are having a
> > widespread
> > > effect.
> >
> > Indeed. One swallow does not a summer make. It would be
> > interesting to know
> > how many of the WGs have members who would assert such problems.
> >
> >    Brian
> >