rough consensus (was Re: "trouble maker")

Hallam-Baker, Phillip pbaker at verisign.com
Wed Jun 25 17:22:36 CEST 2003


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian at hursley.ibm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:35 PM
> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: rough consensus (was Re: "trouble maker")
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" wrote:
> > 
> > And who hears the appeal? - A committee where the 
> individual responsible for
> > the abuses has audience rights and I do not.
> 
> Not at all. The IAB has several times held open hearings on 
> appeals, for
> good reason. And by the way, unfairness in the appeals process would
> seem like reasonable grounds for a final appeal to the ISOC Board.
> 
> ...
> > 
> > If we are going to have a discussion about PROBLEM then 
> discussion of
> > specific failures of the process would seem to be a good 
> starting point.
> 
> But if the appeal process and/or the recall process haven't 
> been used, you 
> simply can't assert a process failure.
> 
> > If we are ever going to get to a SOLUTION it would be good 
> to start hearing
> > that others accept that I am not the only person making the 
> complaint about
> > autocratic top down proceedures and that they are having a 
> widespread
> > effect.
> 
> Indeed. One swallow does not a summer make. It would be 
> interesting to know
> how many of the WGs have members who would assert such problems.
> 
>    Brian
> 


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