pbaker at verisign.com
Tue Jun 24 10:48:53 CEST 2003
> The fact you failed to convience others of your proposal is not a
> problem of IETF. Neither is the role of the chair or the IESG
> to assist
> you in that regard.
> If you did not get rough consensus, you lose. Deal with it.
But there was consensus in favor of OPT IN, the chair decided to abuse his
position and ignore it subsituting his own opinion. Read the WG mailing
There was a last call, 12 people were in favor, 2 opposed outright, 7 were
not in favor but prepared to accept the proposal.
Actually there were in total four last calls. Basically the Chair's strategy
was to keep asking the question until he could pretend the result was in his
So no, it was not about 'rough consensus' it was about 'Chair's perogative'.
> For your specific issues with DNSEXT, I am not sure how true
> "WG was in
> favour to fixing the spec" but you should deal with that in
> the DNSEXT
> or file an appeal to IESG if it is really true. Complaining here dont
> help you in anyway.
I have no confidence in the IESG, why would I waste time on an
appeal there? All that would do would be to continue the uncertainty
for another year or so.
Once I realized that it was about chair's perogative and not
consensus my strategy was simply to force the group to come to a
final decision. As long as the filibustering and procedural
circumlocutions continued the choice was potentially between
the undeployable status quo, the OPTIN fix and potentially a
new fix that might be proposed, result stalemate that suited the
'kill DNSSEC in large zones' faction. After the chair exercised
perogative the choice is now two schemes, the one that cannot
be deployed and the one that can, so in effect there is only one
I'd rather take my appeal to the market, fork the spec and tell
the press the reason why. Or given the fact that the IETF has
abdicated responsibility in this area take a completely fresh
DNS Security propoal to an open and democratic forum.
The IETF can choose to endorse arbitrary and partisan decision
making and even endorse a broken spec if it chooses, but don't
think the world is obliged to accept the resulting decision.
> For the wg chairs reaction to your company name, while I dont
> think it
> is appropriate, I dont see why it would prevent IETF to be open and
You might not, but I suspect the rest of the world can.
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