"trouble maker"

James Seng jseng at pobox.org.sg
Mon Jun 23 01:19:42 CEST 2003

I was going thru draft-ietf-problem-issue-statement and found something 

For those of us who have chair IETF WG, I am sure we have encountered, 
one time or another, members of the group whom we considered "trouble 

While the term "trouble maker" is a usually a matter of individual 
opinion, the type which I particularly have problem with are the ones 
who are extremely disruptive in the working group repeating issues 
usually with the attempt to derail the progress or having the attitute 
that "i-will-not-close-this-issue-unless-you-agree-with-me".

It become even more painful when these "trouble makers" are well-verse 
in "IETF appeal process" and not hesitant to use these rules to achieve 
their goal. It is a painful and waste of time for the chairs and the ADs 
who are already overworked.

It is not unusual for a single "trouble maker" derailing the progress 
for as long as a year or more.

While we can debate over what is the appropriate solution to deal with 
"trouble makers", at least pls capture this issue in the problem statement.

-James Seng

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