ISSUE: Determinants for timeliness missing in section 2.1

Harald Tveit Alvestrand harald at
Mon Jun 9 11:53:32 CEST 2003

following up my own posts is a bad habit, but this one was probably too 

When we have the case of "plenty of people .... that had a very clear 
vision of what they wanted to achieve", and have "requirements to satisfy 
additional constraints", the people imposing additional constraints are 
people too, and part of the community. What's more, in the cases where 
those "imposing" people are chosen as leaders of the community, they 
believe that they represent other members of the community - and may even 
be right.

So - I think it is fair to say that AS A COMMUNITY, we had "unclear and 
unresolved visions of what we wanted to achieve".


--On mandag, juni 09, 2003 10:27:57 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand 
<harald at> wrote:

> --On søndag, juni 08, 2003 17:32:46 -0700 Dave Crocker <dhc at>
> wrote:
>> HTA> In both of those cases, we started off (IMHO) with unclear and
>> unresolved HTA> visions of what we wanted to achieve, and this led to
>> setting schedules HTA> that had much to do with our feeling of hurry, but
>> little to do with a HTA> realistic expectation of when the industry
>> needed our end product.
>> On the contrary, I believe there were plenty of people in both
>> situations that had a very clear vision of what they wanted to achieve.
>> The real problem is that they were prevented from pursuing those
>> visions, due to requirements to satisfy additional constraints and/or to
>> coordinate with competing efforts.
> I don't think those two descriptions contradict each other....
> as I frequently say when asking for charters to be more clear:
> "if you don't write it down in a way I understand, how can I tell that we
> agree?"

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