Cutting through the accumulating sludge (was: Re: Doing the Right Things? and/or WG Quality Processes WG)

[Bound, Jim]

Would you keep your vendor comments to private conversations.  I would
be glad to enlighten you on both counts below but we would have to agree
on what dynamic means.

Siting specific history of a company with data your willing to stand up
to in court is fine if it helps give us examples of points in time for
our work here.

/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy at psg.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:09 PM
> To: John C Klensin
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: Cutting through the accumulating sludge (was: 
> Re: Doing the Right Things? and/or WG Quality Processes WG)
> 
> 
> > I am suggesting that, if there seems to be general sympathy on
> > the list (or otherwise) for this, that the relevant AD just do 
> > it --or delegate it to the WG Chairs or an appointed 
> > coordinator-- to do it.  The authority is there; nothing in the 
> > current procedures requires us to find a tree and dance around 
> > it in a circle while chanting "rough consensus and running 
> > code", or to create a charter and WG, before doing anything.
> 
> i think we really do not have a clear vision of what we 
> should be doing, so it is easier to talk about the processes 
> and enemies of doing it.  no blame.  this is extremely 
> difficult stuff.
> 
> i keep thinking of the analog to how some engineering 
> companies dealt with the conflicts/tensions of staying nimble 
> while undergoing large growth.  
> 
> digital equipment tried to maintain a dynamic engineering 
> culture while growing massively.  it did not work.
> 
> hp is still trying, but has become more and more stodgy and 
> has not stayed lively and dynamic.
> 
> intel may be the most successful.  one key to this success is 
> not touching anything that does not have at least a 40% 
> margin.  i.e., they say "no" to a lot of bright ideas.  i do 
> not believe that we have the culture to do that.
> 
> randy
> 
>