pausable explanation for the Document Series
Bound, Jim
Jim.Bound at hp.com
Sun Jun 8 00:18:38 CEST 2003
A favorite phrase of mine and I think my colleague Charlie sums it up
Keith.
Caveat Emptor.
/jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Perkins [mailto:charliep at IPRG.nokia.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Keith Moore
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: pausable explanation for the Document Series
>
>
>
> Hello Keith,
>
> You're using nasty words like "accuse".
>
> Keith Moore wrote:
>
> >>You seem to assume that the customers are going to sit
> around waiting.
> >>
> >>Most will buy a system that works,
> >>
> >>
> >
> >most will buy a system without knowing whether it works or not, and
> >pull their hair out when they have trouble getting it to work in
> >practice, and then guess about who is to blame, and make arbitrary
> >demands about who has to fix it that have nothing to do with
> the actual
> >cause of the problem.
> >
> Life sucks that way. It helps to buy from reputable vendors.
> Industrial product managers with a habit of success tend to
> do better than you portray.
>
> >>And that's where recent IETF protocol efforts may be heading.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >NOBODY has said anything about requiring things to be
> perfect, so stop
> >accusing people of that. What has been repeatedly suggested is that
> >the criteria for maturity levels should be better matched
> with industry
> >expectation and IETF energy levels. What's wrong with that?
> >
> But when you hear that industry has expectations about
> timeliness you seem to go nonlinear. Furthermore, I suggest
> that IETF processes demotivate and drain the energy of
> otherwise enthusiastic IETF engineers.
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
>
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