pausable explanation for the Document Series
Jim.Bound at hp.com
Sun Jun 8 00:18:38 CEST 2003
A favorite phrase of mine and I think my colleague Charlie sums it up
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Perkins [mailto:charliep at IPRG.nokia.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Keith Moore
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: pausable explanation for the Document Series
> Hello Keith,
> You're using nasty words like "accuse".
> Keith Moore wrote:
> >>You seem to assume that the customers are going to sit
> around waiting.
> >>Most will buy a system that works,
> >most will buy a system without knowing whether it works or not, and
> >pull their hair out when they have trouble getting it to work in
> >practice, and then guess about who is to blame, and make arbitrary
> >demands about who has to fix it that have nothing to do with
> the actual
> >cause of the problem.
> Life sucks that way. It helps to buy from reputable vendors.
> Industrial product managers with a habit of success tend to
> do better than you portray.
> >>And that's where recent IETF protocol efforts may be heading.
> >NOBODY has said anything about requiring things to be
> perfect, so stop
> >accusing people of that. What has been repeatedly suggested is that
> >the criteria for maturity levels should be better matched
> with industry
> >expectation and IETF energy levels. What's wrong with that?
> But when you hear that industry has expectations about
> timeliness you seem to go nonlinear. Furthermore, I suggest
> that IETF processes demotivate and drain the energy of
> otherwise enthusiastic IETF engineers.
> Charlie P.
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