pausable explanation for the Document Series

Bound, Jim Jim.Bound at hp.com
Sun Jun 8 00:18:38 CEST 2003


A favorite phrase of mine and I think my colleague Charlie sums it up
Keith.
Caveat Emptor.

/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Perkins [mailto:charliep at IPRG.nokia.com] 
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Keith Moore
> Cc: problem-statement at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: pausable explanation for the Document Series
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Keith,
> 
> You're using nasty words like "accuse".
> 
> Keith Moore wrote:
> 
> >>You seem to assume that the customers are going to sit 
> around waiting.
> >>
> >>Most will buy a system that works,
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >most will buy a system without knowing whether it works or not, and 
> >pull their hair out when they have trouble getting it to work in 
> >practice, and then guess about who is to blame, and make arbitrary 
> >demands about who has to fix it that have nothing to do with 
> the actual 
> >cause of the problem.
> >
> Life sucks that way.  It helps to buy from reputable vendors. 
>  Industrial product managers with a habit of success tend to 
> do better than you portray.
> 
> >>And that's where recent IETF protocol efforts may be heading.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >NOBODY has said anything about requiring things to be 
> perfect, so stop 
> >accusing people of that.  What has been repeatedly suggested is that 
> >the criteria for maturity levels should be better matched 
> with industry 
> >expectation and IETF energy levels.  What's wrong with that?
> >
> But when you hear that industry has expectations about 
> timeliness you seem to go nonlinear.  Furthermore, I suggest 
> that IETF processes demotivate and drain the energy of 
> otherwise enthusiastic IETF engineers.
> 
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
> 
> 
> 


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