Sloppy Charters (was: Re: Discipline of Internet
John C Klensin
john-ietf at jck.com
Fri Jun 6 13:17:49 CEST 2003
--On Friday, 06 June, 2003 19:05 +0300 "john.loughney at nokia.com"
<john.loughney at nokia.com> wrote:
>> I think those sorts of weak communications are a problem.
>> Without knowing which WG you head, or which AD is involved,
>> I'd suggest that, if you have a continuing
>> poor-communication problem, you need to have some serious
>> conversations with the AD and, if necessary, perhaps with
>> the other AD in the area about a switch, or with the IETF
>> Chair. If those don't work, you need to think about
>> conversations with Nomcoms or more dramatic actions.
> I am not thinking of my AD in particular, but also the IESG in
> general. As I've edited documents in several areas, I've
> noticed a general tendancy that the IESG has many balls to
> juggle, and engaging chairs / editors in technical things
> tends to fall (unless it is a discussion during IETF last
And, personally, I believe _that_ problem has no solution at all
unless and until a majority of the IESG are ready to stand up
and say "we are seriously overloaded, and we are ready to do
something about it. We understand that starts with accepting
the fact that we really can't do everything and then moves on to
being willing (and anxious) to look closely at any proposal that
might plausibly reduce load." I've heard things pretty close to
that (and pretty consistently) from Harald. But most of the ADs
have appeared to me to have been largely silent or to accept the
And, again, I don't think the community gives nearly enough
support to those who push back, which encourages and reinforces
all sorts of bad behavior patterns.
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