ADs who are also WG chairs

[James Seng]

While this is off-topic, one should note that

1. OASIS is a paid-membership group. Some would considered that the fact 
it is paid-membership makes is exclusive (altho not exactly closed).

2. IETF dont have "members", or at least similar to OASIS. Participating 
in IETF are usually free (excluding cost of attending IETF meetings) so 
any formal voting process, web-based or otherwise, arent likely going to 
work. (If in doubt, look at GA at ICANN).

3. OASIS is a coporate-centric organization whereas IETF is an 
individual-centeric organization. (This is not to say individual cant 
participate in OASIS or coporate cant participate in IETF...)

Are we prepared to make this big switch making IETF an industry consortium?

-James Seng

Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
>>even though this is the problem not the solution list, can you suggest ways
>>to do this in the IETF with its undefined membership and combination
>>of face to face and mailing list work?
> 
> 
> As I said before, look at the way it is working today in OASIS. You cannot
> claim that something is impossible in the face of an existence proof.
> 
> 
> Step one - election of IAB and IESG.
> 
> All members of the IAB and IESG to be directly elected by the membership of
> the IETF as currently defined for the purposes of NOMCON membership. i.e.
> all persons who have attended two out of the past three IETFs get a vote.
> 
> The voting process itself to be managed via a Web interface, software for
> the purpose has been developed by Ron Rivest's students at MIT.
> 
> 
> Step two - WG decisions.
> 
> In OASIS the membership of a WG requires attendance at meetings, both face
> to face and in con-calls. Anyone present at the first meeting is
> automatically a member. To maintain membership you have to attend a certain
> proportion of the meetings and con calls. Anyone can apply to join at any
> time, however they do not get voting privs until they have attended a
> certain number of meetings.
> 
> Yes, I am aware that this limits decision making to people who actually care
> enough to attend the con-calls. That is a good thing. It has not in my
> experience excluded any participant who wanted to contribute. There are
> plenty of academics participating in the OASIS process.
> 
> 
> Step three - Roberts rules of order.
> 
> 
> 		Phill
> 
>