ADs who are also WG chairs

[Brian E Carpenter]

What's to stop Big Bad Company stuffing an Oasis WG with ringers?

What's to stop a commercial grouping pushing something through
an Oasis WG that is good for them and harmful to the Internet?

How can Roberts' Rules be applied on a mailing list?

(I'm not trying to make debating points - I really am concerned
that these are serious weaknesses in the model you describe. And I
spent two years chairing a Board that supposedly followed Roberts'
Rules and used email extensively, and I can't answer the third
question.)

   Brian

"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" wrote:
> 
> >even though this is the problem not the solution list, can you suggest ways
> >to do this in the IETF with its undefined membership and combination
> >of face to face and mailing list work?
> 
> As I said before, look at the way it is working today in OASIS. You cannot
> claim that something is impossible in the face of an existence proof.
> 
> Step one - election of IAB and IESG.
> 
> All members of the IAB and IESG to be directly elected by the membership of
> the IETF as currently defined for the purposes of NOMCON membership. i.e.
> all persons who have attended two out of the past three IETFs get a vote.
> 
> The voting process itself to be managed via a Web interface, software for
> the purpose has been developed by Ron Rivest's students at MIT.
> 
> Step two - WG decisions.
> 
> In OASIS the membership of a WG requires attendance at meetings, both face
> to face and in con-calls. Anyone present at the first meeting is
> automatically a member. To maintain membership you have to attend a certain
> proportion of the meetings and con calls. Anyone can apply to join at any
> time, however they do not get voting privs until they have attended a
> certain number of meetings.
> 
> Yes, I am aware that this limits decision making to people who actually care
> enough to attend the con-calls. That is a good thing. It has not in my
> experience excluded any participant who wanted to contribute. There are
> plenty of academics participating in the OASIS process.
> 
> Step three - Roberts rules of order.
> 
>                 Phill