My thoughts about the problems of the IETF
john.loughney at nokia.com
john.loughney at nokia.com
Tue Apr 22 15:32:55 CEST 2003
Hi Keith,
> Different sets of concern. Yes, I'd agree that WG chairs could use more power
> to enforce discipline - one of our worst problems is with WGs that rely
> entirely on a completely unstructured and unbounded discussion to review
> documents that need to have every detail attended to in finite time.
I think that goes somewhat with the mode & style of communication,
unfortunately. As a chair, it is sometimes difficult to know when
to judge that a conversation has gone from productive to non-productive
> But I've also seen WG chairs that abuse their power to push through
> their (employer's) agenda, and I'm pretty fed up with that.
Any suggestions on how to improve that?
> Mainly what I'm
> concerned with is giving WGs even more power to break things outside of their
> narrow scopes - there's far too much of that going on.
Well, that is a difficult call - I think it may call for increased rigor
from IESG / IAB folks; some people with broader technical scope should be
involved in many of the WGs.
> As for the breakdown in communication between ADs and WG chairs, I can think
> of several reasons for this. One is that the WG chair typically has very
> little insight/visibility into the IESG process, so the WG chair naturally
> blames either the AD or the IESG for the delays. Another is that the AD and
> WG chair live in completely different worlds. The AD deals with the full
> breadth of what is happening in the IETF, the WG chair is narrowly focused on
> that group's work (these days, the WG chair often has a similar focus in his
> day job). There's can be so little overlap between these two that they can
> almost speak different languages. That, and because the document can't even
> get to IESG until the sponsoring AD reviews it and approves of it, even a
> little bit of communication breakdown can cause months of delay.
This is still symptomatic of larger problems I believe. Right now, WG chairs
/ document editors don't (usually) attend IESG conference calls, so insight
into some of the discussions are missed. Mode of communication between
IESG & WGs is usually poor. The Draft Tracker records some comments, but
does not necessarily encourage insight in the working groups.
br,
John
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