Selecting leadership, take 2

[John C Klensin]

--On Thursday, 05 December, 2002 22:52 -0800 Dave Crocker 
<dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote:

>...
> Does draft-huston-pact list any problems that you disagree
> with?  Does it suggest changes that you disagree with?
>...

Dave,

I wrote a long note on this subject, and circulated it to the 
IETF list, before the Atlanta plenary.  To summarize that note 
at the level of your questions, while there are a number of 
ideas (problems and/or changes) with which I agree, and other 
things that I believe need significant tuning,

   Yes.  And Yes.

Geoff wrote a thoughtful and helpful response to part of my 
note.  While I disagree with him on some of the points that he 
raised, I have deliberately avoided responding so far in the 
hope that others would step in, rather than having it turn into 
a two-person dialogue.  So far, no one else has.  I have gotten 
no reaction at all to the suggestions in that note, other than 
several private notes expressing sympathy or agreement.

So, for you and anyone else who likes the "there is one document 
out there, its suggestions should go forward unless there is 
specific dissent" approach:

	Does my note list any problems that you disagree with?
	Does it suggest changes that you disagree with?

I personally don't consider that a good way to proceed, and 
believe it is completely inappropriate when explanations of 
specific points of disagreement have already been posted and not 
discussed, but opinions presumably differ on those points.

And I suppose I should go turn my note into an I-D.

regards,
     john