Malayalam: ml-puthiya, ml-pazhaya

Peter Constable petercon at
Sat Oct 8 02:21:33 CEST 2016

Nothing adversarial was intended; I apologize if I choose wording poorly.

It sounds like there is a real difference and that Malayalam speakers understand that difference. If there's a user request for a variant subtag (and with a speaker population of 38M it seems like a tag might get a lot more usage than one serving an audience of 1400), should we be hindering registration on the grounds that we can't point to documentation that English speakers can read? 

I'm wary of creating hindrances for those on the less-fortunate side of the digital divide for the benefit of us who are on the more-fortunate side of the digital divide.


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From: Ietf-languages [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at] On Behalf Of Michael Everson
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Subject: Re: Malayalam: ml-puthiya, ml-pazhaya

On 7 Oct 2016, at 20:05, Peter Constable <petercon at> wrote:
> Is a different level of requirement being imposed here than, say, what is reflected in this registration?

We don’t need adversarial rhetoric in our work, Peter. “Imposed”?

1) Jauer is an unstandardized dialect with ad-hoc orthographies and 1400 speakers

2) Jauer was proposed in 2010 and we’ve had various precedents and precisions in our processes and thinking since then

3) Malayalam is the language of 38,000,000 people

4) The two orthographies in question can be tagged in a way that will permit text-processing tools to be appleid, ad it would be advantageous to implementors if some sort of starting point for orthographic reference could be offered. 

5) The government edict THAT an orthographic change should be applied isn’t the same thing as references to Qthe two orthographies. 

So yes, a different level of requirement has been requested here than was for Jauer Romansh. It’s not at all different from other instances in which I have requested precise references, however. So really nothing is new here. 

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