Offline: Registration request for new subtags for Portuguese orthographies

Peter Constable petercon at
Tue Mar 24 19:07:14 CET 2015

IMO, this is a discussion that should be happening _on_ list: it's not requesting specific clarifications from the requesters (which might be OK done off list) but is discussing criteria by which a tag like "ao1990" might be deemed useful. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Everson [mailto:everson at] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Shawn Steele; Peter Constable; Doug Ewell; joao at; Andrew Glass (WINDOWS)
Subject: Re: Offline: Registration request for new subtags for Portuguese orthographies

On 24 Mar 2015, at 15:53, Shawn Steele <Shawn.Steele at> wrote:

> I don't think it's helpful to have this part of the discussion offline.

I do, since Peter is still haranguing me about process on the public list. I have tried to suggest to him that that is not the problem, but he keeps going on about it. 

> We would find this option useful.  I think I understand your concerns, however regardless of whether it is specific enough, I believe that this tag would serve our needs, and the needs of our customers.

Yes. I know. And it is part of my function to occasionally attempt to get people to do better, for the greater good. I have done it before, and successfully.

> From your statements it seems like people choosing this option may not know which of the features they might expect, and so their request may be underspecified.

This is exactly wrong. A user in BR or a user in PT might know exactly what features they prefer. The problem is that this subtag on its own is an umbrella for all the options, and no writer of Portuguese wants his text to wander randomly through the options. This is precisely why I said that "ao1990" is practically identical to a raw "pt", because it's a collection of features which have been used in Portuguese from time to time. What, "fato" and "facto" should just be identical in the spell-checker? That's really not how users expect spell-checkers to work. 

So I have asked, and I keep asking: How should this be addressed?

> If another user/software developer does encounter difficulties with underspecificity, I have no problem with future consideration of further subtags that indicate more explicit details about the language's behavior.  Then folks could use pt-ao1990-featurex-featurez if needed.  (or even pt-featurex-featurez.)

Your reviewer encounters difficulties with underspecificity, and keeps asking proponents of this subtag to address that. This is nothing new. I have raised such questions before many times over the years. Usually people address them and we end up with a positive result. 

Michael Everson *

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