References to Portuguese orthographic reforms (was: RE: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 104, Issue 3)

[João Miguel Neves]

Em 12-09-2011 15:16, Francisco Miguel Valada escreveu:
>
> João,
>
> 1) About the 1931 agreement:
>
>
> a) It was not fully implemented, since Academia das Ciências did not
> accept the deletion of mute consonantal letters
>
>
> this is the agreement (7 paragraphs)
>
>
> <http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf>
>
> http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf
>
>
> this is the agreement without the first paragraph
>
>
> <http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/06/12600.pdf>
>
> http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/06/12600.pdf
>

> b) In Brazil, the enforcement had ups and downs, I will spare you the
> details, you can read the full story here (see page 1)
> http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf
>

>
> c) The 1931 changes were minor changes and, in my opinion, they do not
> deserve a subtag such as 1911, 1945 and 1990 do.
>
They were minor changes for Portugal (it was based on the 1911 reform),
relevant for Brazil and resulted in the Prontuário Ortográfico de 1943
that was used until 1971. So, as the original big change was the 1911
reform, I can understand the reasoning behind not having 1931. Ok.
> 2 -- Be careful! The "official vocabulary in http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/" is misleading and ambiguous. 
> There are several examples. I won't make them public, since I would be helping people who do not do their homework (the people in ILTEC in charge of the vocabulary), and I only give credit to those who study and do their homework. 
> I can only assure you that they deleted too many consonants...

May be, but it's the official (as mandated by Resolução do Conselho de
Ministros nº 8/2011) for implementation of the public administration and
schools in Portugal. Yes, I'm aware of differences between dictionaries
and the official vocabulary. I'd say that's not relevant as reference.

Best regards,
João Miguel Neves
> Cheers,
>
>
> *Francisco Miguel Valada*
>
>
> +32479855056
> fmvalada at hotmail.com
>
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> > From: ietf-languages-request at alvestrand.no
> > Subject: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 104, Issue 3
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> > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:03:18 +0200
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> > 1. Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28 (Philip Newton)
> > 2. Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28 (Jo?o Miguel Neves)
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> > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:39:32 +0200
> > From: Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>
> > To: Francisco Miguel Valada <fmvalada at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: ietf-languages at iana.org
> > Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28
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> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 13:56, Francisco Miguel Valada
> > <fmvalada at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags, links and references.
> > >
> > > And we drafted the following proposal:
> > >
> > >> Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]
> >
> > No hyphen is possible; subtags are limited to eight alphanumeric
> characters.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Philip
> > --
> > Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>
> >
> >
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> > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:03:12 +0100
> > From: Jo?o Miguel Neves <joao at silvaneves.org>
> > To: ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
> > Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28
> > Message-ID: <4E6E0310.1060204 at silvaneves.org>
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ok, this is enough for me to write the official proposals.
> >
> > One correction: 1990aolp has an official vocabulary in
> > http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/ (Vocabul?rio Ortogr?fico do
> > Portugu?s).
> >
> > The same doubt I had presented to Ant?nio: Why is the 1931 missing from
> > the list?
> >
> > I don't think the pre1911 makes sense given that there are several
> > reforms before. I'm in favor of waiting for someone to need anything
> > before 1911 (the guy behind http://www.dicionario-aberto.net/ told me
> > he'll probably need it, so it won't take much time).
> >
> > So, I'll fit the proposals to the templates for 1990aolp and 1945cil.
> > Please tell me if the emails you want to be credited in are the ones you
> > used on the mailing-list or not.
> >
> > I have no problems doing the others after I understand why 1931 is out.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jo?o Miguel Neves
> >
> > Em 12-09-2011 12:56, Francisco Miguel Valada escreveu:
> > >
> > > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags, links and references.
> > >
> > > And we drafted the following proposal:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]
> > > > Link: ---------------------
> > > > Reference: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31552/31552-pdf.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Subtag: 1911buo *
> > > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/21300.pdf
> > > > Reference: http://purl.pt/424
> > > >
> > > > Subtag: 1945cil **
> > > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf
> > > > Reference: Grande Dicion?rio L?ngua Portuguesa, Porto: Porto
> > > > Editora, 2004.
> > > >
> > > > Subtag: 1990aolp
> > > > Link: http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1991/08/193A00.pdf
> > > > Reference: ***
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > * Bases para a Unifica??o da Ortografia
> > > > O nome oficial da reforma ? "bases para a unifica??o da ortografia
> > > > que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos documentos e publica??es
> > > > oficiais", Cf. http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf, p. 6
> > >
> > > EN - The official name of the reform is: "bases para a unifica??o da
> > > ortografia que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos documentos e
> > > publica??es oficiais", Cf. http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf,
> > > p. 6 [bases for the unification/unifying the orthography which shall
> > > be adopted by schools and for use in official publications and
> > > documents]
> > >
> > >
> > > > ** Confer?ncia Interacad?mica de Lisboa de 1945
> > > > O Decreto n.? 35:228 aprova os resultados da Confer?ncia
> > > > Interacad?mica de Lisboa de de 10.8.1945 em harmonia com a
> > > > Conven??o Luso-Brasileira de 29.12.1943 [Conven??o para a unidade,
> > > > ilustra??o e defesa do idioma comum].
> > >
> > > EN - The 1945 decree approves the results of the Lisbon Interacademic
> > > Conference, in accordance to the Luso-Brazilian Convention of 1943
> > >
> > > *** There is not an official authoritative reference for the 1990
> > > reform, besides the text of the "Agreement"; several dictionaries
> > > have published which claim to be AOLP1990-compliant but the text of
> > > the treaty (article 2) states that a Common Vocabulary must be
> > > compiled with the collaboration of all the signatories.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > *
> > > **Francisco Miguel Valada*
> > >
> > >
> > > +32479855056
> > > fmvalada at hotmail.com
> > >
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