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Em 12-09-2011 15:16, Francisco Miguel Valada escreveu:
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">João,<br>
<br>
1) About the 1931 agreement:</span></p>
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New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">a) It was not fully
implemented, since Academia das
Ciências did not accept the deletion of mute consonantal
letters </span></p>
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(7 paragraphs)</span></p>
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href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1931/05/12000.pdf</a></span></p>
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without the first paragraph</span></p>
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"Times New Roman","serif";" lang="EN-US"><a
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<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph">b) In
Brazil, the enforcement had ups and downs, I
will spare you the details, you can read the full story here
(see page 1) <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf</a></p>
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"></span>
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type="cite">
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">c) The 1931 changes
were minor changes and, in my
opinion, they do not deserve a subtag such as 1911, 1945 and
1990 do. </span></p>
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They were minor changes for Portugal (it was based on the 1911
reform), relevant for Brazil and resulted in the Prontuário
Ortográfico de 1943 that was used until 1971. So, as the original
big change was the 1911 reform, I can understand the reasoning
behind not having 1931. Ok.<br>
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EN-US" lang="EN-US">2 – Be careful! The “official vocabulary in </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">” is misleading and ambiguous.
There are several examples. I won’t make them public, since I would be helping people who do not do their homework (the people in ILTEC in charge of the vocabulary), and I only give credit to those who study and do their homework.
I can only assure you that they deleted too many consonants...</span></pre>
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May be, but it's the official (as mandated by Resolução do Conselho
de Ministros nº 8/2011) for implementation of the public
administration and schools in Portugal. Yes, I'm aware of
differences between dictionaries and the official vocabulary. I'd
say that's not relevant as reference.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
João Miguel Neves<br>
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<b>Francisco Miguel Valada</b><br>
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<font style="" color="#17365d">+32479855056</font><font style=""
color="#17365d"><br>
</font><font style="" color="#17365d"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fmvalada@hotmail.com">fmvalada@hotmail.com</a></font><br>
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> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:39:32 +0200<br>
> From: Philip Newton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com"><philip.newton@gmail.com></a><br>
> To: Francisco Miguel Valada <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fmvalada@hotmail.com"><fmvalada@hotmail.com></a><br>
> Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ietf-languages@iana.org">ietf-languages@iana.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28<br>
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> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 13:56, Francisco Miguel Valada<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fmvalada@hotmail.com"><fmvalada@hotmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
> > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags,
links and references.<br>
> ><br>
> > And we drafted the following proposal:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]<br>
> <br>
> No hyphen is possible; subtags are limited to eight
alphanumeric characters.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Philip<br>
> -- <br>
> Philip Newton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:philip.newton@gmail.com"><philip.newton@gmail.com></a><br>
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> <br>
> ------------------------------<br>
> <br>
> Message: 2<br>
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:03:12 +0100<br>
> From: Jo?o Miguel Neves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joao@silvaneves.org"><joao@silvaneves.org></a><br>
> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ietf-languages@alvestrand.no">ietf-languages@alvestrand.no</a><br>
> Subject: Re: Ietf-languages Digest, Vol 103, Issue 28<br>
> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:4E6E0310.1060204@silvaneves.org"><4E6E0310.1060204@silvaneves.org></a><br>
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> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> Ok, this is enough for me to write the official
proposals.<br>
> <br>
> One correction: 1990aolp has an official vocabulary in<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/">http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/</a> (Vocabul?rio
Ortogr?fico do<br>
> Portugu?s).<br>
> <br>
> The same doubt I had presented to Ant?nio: Why is the
1931 missing from<br>
> the list?<br>
> <br>
> I don't think the pre1911 makes sense given that there
are several<br>
> reforms before. I'm in favor of waiting for someone to
need anything<br>
> before 1911 (the guy behind
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dicionario-aberto.net/">http://www.dicionario-aberto.net/</a> told me<br>
> he'll probably need it, so it won't take much time).<br>
> <br>
> So, I'll fit the proposals to the templates for 1990aolp
and 1945cil.<br>
> Please tell me if the emails you want to be credited in
are the ones you<br>
> used on the mailing-list or not.<br>
> <br>
> I have no problems doing the others after I understand
why 1931 is out.<br>
> <br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Jo?o Miguel Neves<br>
> <br>
> Em 12-09-2011 12:56, Francisco Miguel Valada escreveu:<br>
> ><br>
> > Ant?nio Emiliano asked me to check the subtags,
links and references.<br>
> ><br>
> > And we drafted the following proposal:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > Subtag: pre-1911 / pre1911 [hyphen?]<br>
> > > Link: ---------------------<br>
> > > Reference:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31552/31552-pdf.pdf">http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31552/31552-pdf.pdf</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Subtag: 1911buo *<br>
> > > Link: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/21300.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/21300.pdf</a><br>
> > > Reference: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://purl.pt/424">http://purl.pt/424</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Subtag: 1945cil **<br>
> > > Link: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1945/12/27300.pdf</a><br>
> > > Reference: Grande Dicion?rio L?ngua Portuguesa,
Porto: Porto <br>
> > > Editora, 2004.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Subtag: 1990aolp<br>
> > > Link:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1991/08/193A00.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1991/08/193A00.pdf</a><br>
> > > Reference: ***<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > * Bases para a Unifica??o da Ortografia<br>
> > > O nome oficial da reforma ? "bases para a
unifica??o da ortografia <br>
> > > que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos
documentos e publica??es <br>
> > > oficiais", Cf.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf</a>, p. 6<br>
> > <br>
> > EN - The official name of the reform is: "bases para
a unifica??o da <br>
> > ortografia que deve ser adoptada nas escolas e nos
documentos e <br>
> > publica??es oficiais", Cf.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf">http://dre.pt/pdfgratis/1911/09/20600.pdf</a>, <br>
> > p. 6 [bases for the unification/unifying the
orthography which shall <br>
> > be adopted by schools and for use in official
publications and <br>
> > documents]<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > > ** Confer?ncia Interacad?mica de Lisboa de 1945<br>
> > > O Decreto n.? 35:228 aprova os resultados da
Confer?ncia <br>
> > > Interacad?mica de Lisboa de de 10.8.1945 em
harmonia com a <br>
> > > Conven??o Luso-Brasileira de 29.12.1943
[Conven??o para a unidade, <br>
> > > ilustra??o e defesa do idioma comum].<br>
> > <br>
> > EN - The 1945 decree approves the results of the
Lisbon Interacademic <br>
> > Conference, in accordance to the Luso-Brazilian
Convention of 1943<br>
> > <br>
> > *** There is not an official authoritative reference
for the 1990 <br>
> > reform, besides the text of the "Agreement"; several
dictionaries <br>
> > have published which claim to be AOLP1990-compliant
but the text of <br>
> > the treaty (article 2) states that a Common
Vocabulary must be <br>
> > compiled with the collaboration of all the
signatories.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > *<br>
> > **Francisco Miguel Valada*<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > +32479855056<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fmvalada@hotmail.com">fmvalada@hotmail.com</a><br>
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