John Cowan cowan at
Wed Jun 16 21:46:46 CEST 2010

Leif Halvard Silli scripsit:
> John Cowan, Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:32:56 -0400:
> > Leif Halvard Silli scripsit:
> >> So, there we can identify a proposal for 'sh': Add 'Neo-Shtokavian'
> >> as a name synonymous with Serbo-Croatian.
> > 
> > That would be tantamount to narrowing the semantic scope of a subtag,
> > which we are not allowed to do.
> If 'sr' covers Stokavian and Torlakian - and according to Etnologue, it 
> does - the 'sh' must also cover those - as well as the dialects covered 
> by 'bs' and 'hr'.

Ethnologue lists Shtokavian as a dialect of both Serbian and Croatian.

> So, in other words, 'de' covers German dialects as 
> well. I've earlier understood that it only covered standard German.

Ethnologue labels it "Standard German", though ISO 639-3 uses only
"German".  Ethnologue also specifically notes that its treatment of
German dialects is incomplete.

> Here you both associated sr/hr/bs with the respective "standard forms" 
> of each.

That seems a plausible heuristic.

> This made it sound as if you both agreed to "dump" everything that did 
> not fit into the standard forms (represented by , in the 'sh' bag.

Another plausible heuristic.

> You both also seemed to favor that Montenegring got its own primary 
> subtag. You said that 'sh' could not be narrowed. Then I assume 'sr' 
> cannot be narrowed. 'sr' currently appears to covers Serbian and 
> Serbian dialects, including dialects forms only found in Montenegro.

So be it.  Precise consistency in these matters is not to be expected.

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