Montenegrin
Leif Halvard Silli
xn--mlform-iua at xn--mlform-iua.no
Wed Jun 16 21:12:12 CEST 2010
John Cowan, Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:32:56 -0400:
> Leif Halvard Silli scripsit:
>> So, there we can identify a proposal for 'sh': Add 'Neo-Shtokavian'
>> as a name synonymous with Serbo-Croatian.
>
> That would be tantamount to narrowing the semantic scope of a subtag,
> which we are not allowed to do.
If 'sr' covers Stokavian and Torlakian - and according to Etnologue, it
does - the 'sh' must also cover those - as well as the dialects covered
by 'bs' and 'hr'. So, in other words, 'de' covers German dialects as
well. I've earlier understood that it only covered standard German.
I now need to reexamine the dialog between you and Joan (ISO639-3@):
Joan: [1]
]] "Standard forms" would seem to be the more appropriate interpretation
of [bs / bos] ; [hr / hrv] ; and [sr / srp], as opposed to "all the
varieties of this language as spoken in Bosnia ; Croatia ; Serbia," but
that
interpretation seems to be at the heart of the matter. [[
And you replied: [2]
]] Quite so. Indeed, all four standard languages are derived from the
same
original spoken form, the East Hercegovinian form of the Neo-Shtokavian
dialect of "Our Language". [[
Here you both associated sr/hr/bs with the respective "standard forms"
of each.
Joan continued: [1]
]] The standard forms clearly do not collectively encompass all
that the Serbo-Croatian code element encompasses. [[
And you replied: [2]
]] Indeed not: the Old Shtokavian, Kajkavian, and Chakavian dialects
are part of the overall diasystem, but excluded from standardization.
(Standard Bosnian has some Old Shtokavian features, at least in
theory.) [[
This made it sound as if you both agreed to "dump" everything that did
not fit into the standard forms (represented by , in the 'sh' bag.
You both also seemed to favor that Montenegring got its own primary
subtag. You said that 'sh' could not be narrowed. Then I assume 'sr'
cannot be narrowed. 'sr' currently appears to covers Serbian and
Serbian dialects, including dialects forms only found in Montenegro.
[1]
http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/2010-June/010336.html
[2]
http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-languages/2010-June/010338.html
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