Leif Halvard Silli
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Wed Jun 16 21:12:12 CEST 2010
John Cowan, Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:32:56 -0400:
> Leif Halvard Silli scripsit:
>> So, there we can identify a proposal for 'sh': Add 'Neo-Shtokavian'
>> as a name synonymous with Serbo-Croatian.
> That would be tantamount to narrowing the semantic scope of a subtag,
> which we are not allowed to do.
If 'sr' covers Stokavian and Torlakian - and according to Etnologue, it
does - the 'sh' must also cover those - as well as the dialects covered
by 'bs' and 'hr'. So, in other words, 'de' covers German dialects as
well. I've earlier understood that it only covered standard German.
I now need to reexamine the dialog between you and Joan (ISO639-3@):
]] "Standard forms" would seem to be the more appropriate interpretation
of [bs / bos] ; [hr / hrv] ; and [sr / srp], as opposed to "all the
varieties of this language as spoken in Bosnia ; Croatia ; Serbia," but
interpretation seems to be at the heart of the matter. [[
And you replied: 
]] Quite so. Indeed, all four standard languages are derived from the
original spoken form, the East Hercegovinian form of the Neo-Shtokavian
dialect of "Our Language". [[
Here you both associated sr/hr/bs with the respective "standard forms"
Joan continued: 
]] The standard forms clearly do not collectively encompass all
that the Serbo-Croatian code element encompasses. [[
And you replied: 
]] Indeed not: the Old Shtokavian, Kajkavian, and Chakavian dialects
are part of the overall diasystem, but excluded from standardization.
(Standard Bosnian has some Old Shtokavian features, at least in
This made it sound as if you both agreed to "dump" everything that did
not fit into the standard forms (represented by , in the 'sh' bag.
You both also seemed to favor that Montenegring got its own primary
subtag. You said that 'sh' could not be narrowed. Then I assume 'sr'
cannot be narrowed. 'sr' currently appears to covers Serbian and
Serbian dialects, including dialects forms only found in Montenegro.
leif halvard silli
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