Last call for ISO 15924-based updates

Lang Gérard gerard.lang at
Tue Mar 17 13:50:03 CET 2009

Dear Doug, 
I completely agree with your message, without any restriction.
My point is that there is "twisting" when the decisions taken by the RAs that are governing the considered ISO de jure standards do not respect the spirit (and sometimes the history) of these standards, for the only sake to conform to the "supposed needs" of IETF de facto standards like BCP 47. 
Gérard LANG

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Lang Gérard <gerard dot lang at insee dot fr> wrote:

> It is a very god thing that IETF's BCP (de facto standards, whose use 
> is restricted to some forms of use) make use of ISO standards (de jure 
> standards, that are designed for very large categories of users), but 
> they must use them only for what they really are for and not twist 
> these ISO standards for the sole advantage of Internet or Language 
> industry, that is maybe a growing part of the world, but not all the 
> world we live in.

I would not have said that BCP 47 "twists" the core standards in any way.  I would have thought it would be the other way around: we would be "twisting" the standards if we picked some of their code elements and discarded others, or added new non-private code elements, or did something else in violation of the provisions of the standard.

For the most part, we use code elements from ISO 639 to represent languages, from ISO 15924 to represent scripts, and from ISO 3166 to represent countries.  That doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me.

Doug Ewell  *  Thornton, Colorado, USA  *  RFC 4645  *  UTN #14  ^

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