Valencian Language Tag registration request

Peter Constable petercon at
Fri Jun 19 08:02:57 CEST 2009

By this rationale, "Hatian" and "Patois" should  be separate coded entities, and one would never be able to know for content tagged as "Patois" if it was making the same declaration as would "Haitian" or something entirely different. The very same arguments you make in relation to languages - that they are objects whose definition is clearly questionable - is equally applicable to language names unless you treat them purely formally: as labels with no consideration for what they signify. But once you do that, the coding loses any usefulness. There is no real need to code labels apart from interest in what those labels signify.


From: ietf-languages-bounces at [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at] On Behalf Of Lang Gérard
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:10 AM
To: Marion Gunn; ietf-languages at; vmbenet at; ietf-languages-request at
Subject: RE: Valencian Language Tag registration request

Maybe the principal question is what are the entries to be registered and coded inside ISO 639.
And, for me, the answer is clearly given by the title of the ISO 639 series that is "Code for the representation of NAMES of languages".
So that the coded entries of ISO 639 should be NAMES of LANGUAGES (ideally the language's autonym, that is the name given by the considered named language inside this considered language; so that there should ideally be only one language name for every entry of ISO 639, because this entry is exactly this name that is being coded). So that ISO 639 should not be taken as coding directly languages (objects whose definition is clearly questionable and does not seem to be unanimously adopted), and should naturally choosee code elements having direct links with the coded language name, as this has been quasi-systematically the case in ISO 639 history..
Gérard LANG

De : ietf-languages-bounces at [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at] De la part de Marion Gunn
Envoyé : jeudi 18 juin 2009 14:02
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Objet : Re: Valencian Language Tag registration request
That is a perfectly valid reason for your request, Victor, which worked for Bosnian, although only after many lives had been destroyed, which "justification" is not one to be wished on any country, so please bear in mind that such decisions are sometimes based on reasoned argument, sometimes on political bias and that being mocked in public, as you were today, is part of the price you pay for just asking in the current climate of intolerance of differences.

For the record, I abhor the recent mocking reference to my country's consititution so as to silence you (and ask the list owner to reject the use of this list to make such entirely inappropriate remarks).


Scríobh Victor on 18 Jun 2009, at 08:07, Victor:

The main reason to request the language tag is the identity the

user's have about the language....


Marion Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)
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