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color:#1F497D'>By this rationale, “Hatian” and “Patois” should be separate
coded entities, and one would never be able to know for content tagged as “Patois”
if it was making the same declaration as would “Haitian” or something entirely
different. The very same arguments you make in relation to languages – that they
are objects whose definition is clearly questionable – is equally applicable to
language names unless you treat them purely formally: as labels with no
consideration for what they signify. But once you do that, the coding loses any
usefulness. There is no real need to code labels apart from interest in what
those labels signify.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no
[mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lang Gérard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marion Gunn; ietf-languages@alvestrand.no; vmbenet@gmail.com;
ietf-languages-request@alvestrand.no<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Valencian Language Tag registration request<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Maybe the principal question is what are the entries to be
registered and coded inside ISO 639.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>And, for me, the answer is clearly given by the title of the ISO
639 series that is "Code for the representation of NAMES of
languages".</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>So that the coded entries of ISO 639 should be NAMES of LANGUAGES
(ideally the language's autonym, that is the name given by the considered named
language inside this considered language; so that there should ideally be only
one language name for every entry of ISO 639, because this entry is exactly
this name that is being coded). So that ISO 639 should not be taken as coding
directly languages (objects whose definition is clearly questionable and does
not seem to be unanimously adopted), and should naturally choosee code elements
having direct links with the coded language name, as this has been
quasi-systematically the case in ISO 639 history..</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Gérard LANG </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=FR
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span
lang=FR style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces@alvestrand.no]
<b>De la part de</b> Marion Gunn<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 18 juin 2009 14:02<br>
<b>À :</b> ietf-languages@alvestrand.no; vmbenet@gmail.com;
ietf-languages-request@alvestrand.no<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: Valencian Language Tag registration request</span><span
lang=FR><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>That is a perfectly valid reason for your
request, Victor, which worked for Bosnian, although only after many lives had
been destroyed, which "justification" is not one to be wished on any
country, so please bear in mind that such decisions are sometimes based on
reasoned argument, sometimes on political bias and that being mocked in public,
as you were today, is part of the price you pay for just asking in the current
climate of intolerance of differences.<br>
<br>
For the record, I abhor the recent mocking reference to my country's consititution
so as to silence you (and ask the list owner to reject the use of this list to
make such entirely inappropriate remarks).<br>
<br>
mg<br>
<br>
<br>
Scríobh Victor on 18 Jun 2009, at 08:07, Victor:<br>
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>The main reason to request the language tag is the identity the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>user's have about the language....<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>-- <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Marion
Gunn * eGteo (Estab.1991)</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>27
Páirc an Fhéithlinn, Baile an</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Bhóthair,
An Charraig Dhubh,</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Co.
Átha Cliath, Éire/Ireland</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>* <a
href="mailto:mgunn@egt.ie">mgunn@egt.ie</a> * <a href="mailto:eamonn@egt.ie">eamonn@egt.ie</a>
*</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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