Valencian Language Tag registration request

Mark Davis ⌛ mark at
Thu Jun 18 18:37:27 CEST 2009

That is clearly not the interpretation that is used in ISO, nor in BCP 47.
It would be painful and not particularly useful to have a standard that
provided different codes for every possible name of every language, or used
different names for variants of the same language ("same" based on mutual

There are some places where ISO does deviate from this, and assign different
codes based on different names for variants of the same language, but those
are clearly anomalies, and are gradually being cleaned up (cf the
deprecation of "mo").

The right place for variants to be distinguished are in BCP 47, by using the
script, region, and/or variant tags. That provides the right mechanism, one
that lets software function in a reasonable fashion.


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:10, Lang Gérard <gerard.lang at> wrote:

>  Maybe the principal question is what are the entries to be registered and
> coded inside ISO 639.
> And, for me, the answer is clearly given by the title of the ISO 639 series
> that is "Code for the representation of NAMES of languages".
> So that the coded entries of ISO 639 should be NAMES of LANGUAGES (ideally
> the language's autonym, that is the name given by the considered named
> language inside this considered language; so that there should ideally be
> only one language name for every entry of ISO 639, because this entry is
> exactly this name that is being coded). So that ISO 639 should not be taken
> as coding directly languages (objects whose definition is clearly
> questionable and does not seem to be unanimously adopted), and should
> naturally choosee code elements having direct links with the coded language
> name, as this has been quasi-systematically the case in ISO 639 history..
> Gérard LANG
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> *De :* ietf-languages-bounces at [mailto:
> ietf-languages-bounces at] *De la part de* Marion Gunn
> *Envoyé :* jeudi 18 juin 2009 14:02
> *À :* ietf-languages at; vmbenet at;
> ietf-languages-request at
> *Objet :* Re: Valencian Language Tag registration request
> That is a perfectly valid reason for your request, Victor, which worked for
> Bosnian, although only after many lives had been destroyed, which
> "justification" is not one to be wished on any country, so please bear in
> mind that such decisions are sometimes based on reasoned argument, sometimes
> on political bias and that being mocked in public, as you were today, is
> part of the price you pay for just asking in the current climate of
> intolerance of differences.
> For the record, I abhor the recent mocking reference to my country's
> consititution so as to silence you (and ask the list owner to reject the use
> of this list to make such entirely inappropriate remarks).
> mg
> Scríobh Victor on 18 Jun 2009, at 08:07, Victor:
> The main reason to request the language tag is the identity the
> user's have about the language....
> --
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