Lower Saxon as a group

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Sun Feb 22 20:22:53 CET 2009

If you ask me they are codes that need revision. I doubt very much that
linguistically they are useful at all. I doubt also that the ISO-639-5 will
prove practically useful .. I hope I am wrong ..

As to the Low Saxon group, it is a group "Low Saxon" and a language "Saxon,
Low" where it may be clear from the nds documentation that the Dutch
languages have been treated differently from the German linguistic entities
when it was decided how to label them. The result is that the group treats
the German and Dutch entities in the same way.

What I am looking for is a code that includes the German and the Dutch "Low
Saxon" languages.


2009/2/22 CE Whitehead <cewcathar at hotmail.com>

>  Hi, Gerard:
> I'm not sure where you mean to break the Low Saxon group up (and I'm not an
> expert on the Germanic languages anyway), but . . .
> I don't see anything else in the ISO 639-5 code list (
> http://www.loc.gov:8081/standards/iso639-5/en.php); I myself would like a
> clarification though of what East Germanic Languages [gem], West Germanic
> languages [gmw], and North Germanic languages [gmq] include.
> Best,
> C. E. Whitehead
> cewcathar at hotmail.com
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:27:22 +0100
> Subject: Lower Saxon as a group
> From: gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
> To: ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
> Hoi,
> When you read the explanation about nds on Ethnologue, it becomes clear
> that the German linguistic entities that are encompassed in the nds code
> include German linguistic entities that are on a same level as the Dutch
> recognised languages. When you look further, nds is called "Saxon, Low" and
> the Dutch languages and the German nds are part of a grouping called "Low
> Saxon".
> My question, is there a group for Low Saxon in the ISO-639-5 and if not,
> what is the best way of acquiring one?
> FYI this is about a practical situation in the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Thanks,
>         Gerard
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