ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey #2//Ainu

[Lang Gérard]

I am aware that Idid not completely explicit my proposition.
In my opinion, "Ainou-QX" (covering all Ainou languages of the Pacific Zone), "Ainu-JP" (covering  the Ainu language spoken in Japan), "Ainu-RU-SHK" (covering the Ainu language spoken in Eastern Russia) and "Aynu-CN" (covering the Aynu language spoken in China), would be google and google times more adequate "Language Tags" that "Ainu (Japan)" and "Ainu (China), that I find very dangerous.
Cordialement.
Gérard LANG


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	De : Lang Gérard 
	Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2008 15:41
	À : 'Gerard Meijssen'; Doug Ewell; ietflang IETF Languages Discussion
	Cc : Lang Gérard
	Objet : RE: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey #2//Ainu
	
	
	Yes, this is so concerning "Language names" as well as "Country names".
	Moreover, concerning "Ainu", Wikipedia states that the japanese version is also spoken in Eastern Russia, so that a language name like "Ainu (Japon)" for this language could exactly be the beginning of an unfortunate political imbroglio.
	Cordialement.
	Gérard LANG


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		De : Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen at gmail.com] 
		Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2008 15:32
		À : Lang Gérard
		Objet : Re: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey #2//Ainu
		
		
		Hoi,
		If this is about politics, you will get a travesty that has no practical meaning. If anything this is the route not to go. Such political demands need to be ignored.
		Thanks,
		       Gerard
		
		
		On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Lang Gérard <gerard.lang at insee.fr> wrote:
		

			Yes Maybe,
			But notwithstanding  what SIL or ISO 639/RA-JAC does and thinks, there is a political demand for "arab (country name)" as "language name", and it will be much more difficult to explain that this is impossible if we begin in this direction. In this kind of questions, it is not at all certain that: "Il n'y a que le premier pas qui coute"
			Gérard LANG


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				De : Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen at gmail.com] 
				Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2008 15:05
				À : Lang Gérard 

				Objet : Re: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey #2//Ainu
				

				Hoi,
				Have a look at what SIL has to say about Arabic languages... they are not something like Arabic (some country name) this makes sense because borders of countries are hardly appropriate for distinguishing languages.
				Thanks,
				      Gerard
				
				http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ara
				
				
				On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Lang Gérard <gerard.lang at insee.fr> wrote:
				

					I do not know if my proposition solution is simpler, easier to understand or more arbitrary that ISO 639/RA-JAC's one
					But, in my opinion, it is more like a "language name" that adding a country name after a language name.
					Moreover, if we begin in this direction, how will we explain that we do not want to recognize language names like "arab (country name)" for every arab speaking country ?
					Cordialement.
					
					Gérard LANG
					
					-----Message d'origine-----
					
					De : Doug Ewell [mailto:doug at ewellic.org]
					Envoyé : mardi 9 septembre 2008 14:10
					
					À : ietf-languages at iana.org
					
					Cc : Lang Gérard
					Objet : Re: ON LANGUAGE NAMES /// RE: Results of Duplicate Busters Survey #2//Ainu
					

					Lang Gérard <gerard dot lang at insee dot fr> wrote:
					
					
					> My proposition would be:
					> If we have a complete consensus, or even a sufficiently general
					> agreement, that there are effectively two distinct languages, one
					> japanese and one chiniese, could not we choose as language name, the
					> autonym "Ainu" (considered as a phonetisation of the japanese language
					> name ?) for the japanese language and, as language name, the autonym
					> "Aynu" (considered as a phonetisation or romanization of the chinese
					> language name ?) for the chinese language ?
					
					
					But I repeat: in what way would this solution be simpler or easier to comprehend, or less arbitrary, than adding country names in parentheses, as ISO 639-3/RA has chosen to do?
					

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