stq vs. frs

[Debbie Garside]

Hi Frank, All

Please remember that Ethnologue is not ISO 639-3 and the Ethnologue database
is not updated as regularly as that of ISO 639-3.

'fri', whilst still listed within Ethnologue, has the status 'retired'
within ISO 639-3.
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=fri
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=fri

Best

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of
> Frank Ellermann
> Sent: 29 April 2008 04:41
> To: ietf-languages at alvestrand.no
> Subject: Re: stq vs. frs
>
> John Cowan wrote:
>
>  <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=frs>
> > Internal evidence from the Ethnologue (15th edition) shows that
> > Saterfrisian 'stq' is intended to be the Frisian variety, whereas
> > Eastern Frisian 'frs' is intended to be the Low German
> variety that is
> > now spoken in most of the former Frisian-speaking area.
>
> That doesn't fit for (frs) alternate names
> | Ostfriesisch, Saterlandic Frisian, Seeltersk Frisian
>
> And (stq) alternate names
> | Saterfriesiesch, Saterländisch, Saterlandic Frisian
>
> That's on the ethnologue site, the 639-3 pages link to it.
> The "s" in "frs" doesn't sound like "eastern".  Where do they
> store the "evidence" for a registration ?  Looking into a
> document it should be easy to distinguish it, e.g., I won't
> grok "stq", but get the drift of any written "nds".
>
> > see http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=90068 for
> > Ethnologue's West Germanic family tree
>
> To some degree that supports it, fry is 639-2 Western Frisian
> (also known as fy), fri is 639-3 Western Frisian - for
> obscure reasons they don't agree on either "y" or "i" for
> this, or I'm trapped in old versions again - and frr is Northern.
>
> It would be strange to deviate from the Frisian fr? scheme
> for "s" in frs, the set fri, frr, frs, fry belongs together.  The
> "East Frisian" nds dialect is a dialect.
>
> Assuming that they'd want a code for it they could pick the fr?
> scheme *also* for the nds-variant, but using it *only* for
> the variant, but not for the real Frisian language "stq",
> would be extremely confusing, nobody would do this intentionally.
>
>  Frank
>
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