Karen_Broome at Karen_Broome at
Mon Aug 27 04:13:27 CEST 2007

While I sincerely appreciate all the scholarly input into the 
classification of the precise dialect found in this film, this was only a 
single use case. I'd rather we focus this discussion on the legitimacy of 
the en-scotland tag I requested -- as requested. How our products are 
classified is ultimately at our discretion and is not a task for IANA. Our 
classifications may not be as precise as Scottish linguists might like and 
at times we have a distinct need to generalize for business reasons. 

The request is for en-scotland. I'm not eager to register tags for 
dialects of English and Scots until I have an actual business need for 
them and I do not see any current value in distinguishing dialects of 
Scots in our archive. I would also warn that mass regional registrations 
based on a single use case may do more harm than good in this transitional 
time. I understand that it is the opinion of the linguists polled that the 
film is primarily in the Glaswegian dialect of the Scots language.

I'd prefer that any further discussions about the classification of this 
particular film be taken off the public list (though I'm happy to receive 
follow-up correspondence personally). I'd like the en-scotland proposal be 
considered on its own merit as written. 


Karen Broome
Metadata Systems Designer
Sony Pictures Entertainment

ietf-languages-bounces at wrote on 08/26/2007 06:15:12 PM:

> Lars said:
> > >   en-GB - British English
> > >   en-US - US English
> > 
> > Since GB is the ISO 3166-1 code for the United Kingdom, has it 
> > occurred that the ISO 3166-2 code GB-EDH (for Edinburgh) might be 
> > applicable?
> We haven't been talking at all about Edinburgh dialect here, just
> Glasgow.  (Edinburgh dialect, by the way, is nowhere near as unique
> as Glasgow dialect.)
> I reckon that the main use of the tags en-GB and en-US is for the
> written language, to distinguish British spelling (colour, neighbour,
> centre) from US spelling (color, neighbor, center), and that they
> would not form a good basis for spoken language categorisation.
> The difference between Scottish Standard English pronunciation and
> South of England pronunciation is probably as great as trans-Atlantic
> differences.
> > Wikipedia talks of Highland English and Glasgow patter, which are two
> > variants of Scottish English, both different from the variant spoken
> > in Edinburgh.  So should en-scotland cover all three?
> en-scotland (Scottish Standard English) would probably cover clear
> Highland English and the likes of BBC Scotland newsreaders from either
> Glasgow or Edinburgh.  It would certainly not cover Glasgow patter. 
> The man in the street in Glasgow would almost certainly be sco-glasgow,
> which is very much stronger stuff - the kind of stuff which often
> gets given subtitles in England and America.  And the man in the street
> in Edinburgh would very likely be sco-edinburgh, if we ever get round to
> registering it.
> Caoimhín
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