Reshat Sabiq's requests for two Tatar orthographic variants

[C Eddie Whitehead]

Hi, my comments are below.
Thanks.
--cew

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CE Whitehead yazm��:
> 
> Hi, Reshat, all,
> I'll go for baku192, if that is what you want, but first, before I do,
> what does bir mean (is the abbreviation from your language only? common
> to the whole group since it mainly involves consonants?  or is it from
> English?)
> 
> 3. bir1926    ("bir" being an abbreviation like "uni")
> 
bir is the same as uno, and, given agglutinative nature of the
languages, is also an equivalent of uni. Michael for some reason
dislikes it. I think it's an equal candidate, but i won't make a fuss
about it for the alphabet of 1920s.

Thanks.

Hi, Reshat, all.  Thanks.

I do prefer bir I think, maybe bir1926 maybe bir1929 when the alphabet became compulsary everywhere, but if Reshat is happy with baku then I am;
the date 1926 is fine with me too.  

So baku1926 +1 to get this going unless . . . everyone decides bir is  o.k. after all. 

Below are all the notes I had gathered in the archives for the dates (don't know if it will help at all at this point);
Reshat seems to agree that the 1926 date is pretty universal;
I could not find anything universal about the 1927 date, but he may be aware of stuff I am not aware of.



--C. E. Whitehead
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"As Reshat has said, there are several dates for the alphabet . . . 
 * The first date is 1926 which is the date of the Baku conference--this is the date of the recommendation only; work on the alphabets was started in Kazan that year; 
* The next date is 1927: the janalif alphabet was adopted in Tatar that year (but remember this date is language specific; this same date may not apply to all the languages for which the alphabet is being registered--though 1927 seems to be a frequent date for alphabet adoption in the Kazakh, SSR; see www.unc.edu/~lajanda/slav167langpolussrch6.ppt 
 but not for everywhere**); 
* and then there is 1928; janalif was reformed in 1928, so if it it the reformed version Reshat wants, the year is 1928; but this date again may not be universal to all languages; 

*there is one more date, that is: 
  
 1929 when the alphabet became compulsary (everywhere?  see note below). 
  
**NOTE:  "New" or "Unified" "Turkic Latin Alphabet" (either name is right as Reshat has said) "was adapted to all the Turkic languages of Soviet Central Asia. between 1927 and 1930 - Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, Karakalpak and " (see:  www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/clsl123.pdf) 
  
 The NTA as it is called here actually became compulsary in 1929--perhaps universally so!: 
  
information above from:
 www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/clsl123.pdf 
  
 "1.4 The New Turkic Alphabet 
 "One outcome of the First Turcological Congress was a blueprint for a unified alphabet for all the 
 Turkic languages. The New Turkic Alphabet (known as the Yanalif from the words for ‘new’ and 
 ‘alphabet’) was eventually agreed by the All-Union Central Committee on the New Turkic 
 Alphabet which met in 1927 – 28. It was basically the standard Latin alphabet with a few 
 supplementary letters and diacritics to meet the requirements of the Turkic language varieties. The 
 Unified Turkic Latin Alphabet was adapted to all the Turkic languages of Soviet Central Asia 
 between 1927 and 1930 - Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, Karakalpak and Kirghiz (Henze 1977:377). By 
 1929 use of the NTA effectively became compulsory and the import of typographical material in 
 Arabic was forbidden " 
  
 See also: 
  
 http://en.allexperts.com/e/j/ja/ja%C5%8Balif.htm 

{ And further below are my previous notes-- from a page in  the first resource listed above;
I'm not sure from these if there is anything universal about the 1927-28 date when the "All Union Central Committee on the New Turkic Alphabet" met; but the problem is there are two years over which it met, in any case:

(Lancaster University
Department of Linguistics and Modern English Language
CLSL
Centre for Language in Social Life
http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/groups/clsl/home.htm
Working Papers Series
http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/wpapers.htm)

"In 1926 the First Turcological Congress was held in Baku (Azerbaijan). During eight days of debate,
the merits of retaining the Arabic script were compared with the benefits and costs of converting to
the Latin alphabet. The Latinists won the day, and the Latinisation of all the Turkic languages of the
U.S.S.R. was proclaimed official policy (Henze 1977:376).

"1.4 The New Turkic Alphabet

"One outcome of the First Turcological Congress was a blueprint for a unified alphabet for all the
Turkic languages. The New Turkic Alphabet (known as the Yanalif from the words for ‘new’ and
‘alphabet’) was eventually agreed by the All-Union Central Committee on the New Turkic
Alphabet which met in 1927 – 28."
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