Hi, my comments are below.<br>Thanks.<br>--cew<br><br><b><i>"Reshat Sabiq (Re�at)" <tatar.iqtelif.i18n@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>CE Whitehead yazm��:<br>> <br>> Hi, Reshat, all,<br>> I'll go for baku192, if that is what you want, but first, before I do,<br>> what does bir mean (is the abbreviation from your language only? common<br>> to the whole group since it mainly involves consonants? or is it from<br>> English?)<br>> <br>> 3. bir1926 ("bir" being an abbreviation like "uni")<br>> <br>bir is the same as uno, and, given agglutinative nature of the<br>languages, is also an equivalent of uni. Michael for some reason<br>dislikes it. I think it's an equal candidate, but i won't make a fuss<br>about it for the alphabet of 1920s.<br><br>Thanks.<br><br></blockquote>Hi,
Reshat, all. Thanks.<br><br>I do prefer bir I think, maybe bir1926 maybe bir1929 when the alphabet became compulsary everywhere, but if Reshat is happy with baku then I am;<br>the date 1926 is fine with me too. <br><br>So baku1926 +1 to get this going unless . . . everyone decides bir is o.k. after all. <br><br>Below are all the notes I had gathered in the archives for the dates (don't know if it will help at all at this point);<br>Reshat seems to agree that the 1926 date is pretty universal;<br>I could not find anything universal about the 1927 date, but he may be aware of stuff I am not aware of.<br><br><br><br>--C. E. Whitehead<br>cewcathar@yahoo.com<br>(this is a new address; for anyone who has been off the list; sorry)<br><br>* * *<br><br><tt>"As Reshat has said, there are several dates for the alphabet . . . <br> * The first date is 1926 which is the date of the Baku conference--this is the date of the recommendation only; work on the alphabets was
started in Kazan that year; <br>* The next date is 1927: the janalif alphabet was adopted in Tatar that year (but remember this date is language specific; this same date may not apply to all the languages for which the alphabet is being registered--though 1927 seems to be a frequent date for alphabet adoption in the Kazakh, SSR; see www.unc.edu/~lajanda/slav167langpolussrch6.ppt <br> but not for everywhere**); <br>* and then there is 1928; janalif was reformed in 1928, so if it it the reformed version Reshat wants, the year is 1928; but this date again may not be universal to all languages; <br><br>*there is one more date, that is: <br> <br> 1929 when the alphabet became compulsary (everywhere? see note below). <br> <br>**NOTE: "New" or "Unified" "Turkic Latin Alphabet" (either name is right as Reshat has said) "was adapted to all the Turkic languages of Soviet Central Asia. between 1927 and 1930 - Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, Karakalpak and " (see:
www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/clsl123.pdf) <br> <br> The NTA as it is called here actually became compulsary in 1929--perhaps universally so!: <br> <br>information above from:<br> www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/clsl123.pdf <br> <br> "1.4 The New Turkic Alphabet <br> "One outcome of the First Turcological Congress was a blueprint for a unified alphabet for all the <br> Turkic languages. The New Turkic Alphabet (known as the Yanalif from the words for ‘new’ and <br> ‘alphabet’) was eventually agreed by the All-Union Central Committee on the New Turkic <br> Alphabet which met in 1927 – 28. It was basically the standard Latin alphabet with a few <br> supplementary letters and diacritics to meet the requirements of the Turkic language varieties. The <br> Unified Turkic Latin Alphabet was adapted to all the Turkic languages of Soviet Central Asia <br> between 1927 and 1930 - Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, Karakalpak and Kirghiz (Henze 1977:377). By <br> 1929 use of the
NTA effectively became compulsory and the import of typographical material in <br> Arabic was forbidden " <br> <br> See also: <br> <br> <a href="javascript:ol('http://en.allexperts.com/e/j/ja/ja%C5%8Balif.htm');">http://en.allexperts.com/e/j/ja/ja%C5%8Balif.htm</a> <br><br></tt>{ And further below are my previous notes-- from a page in the first resource listed above;<br>I'm not sure from these if there is anything universal about the 1927-28 date when the "All Union Central Committee on the New Turkic Alphabet" met; but the problem is there are two years over which it met, in any case:<br><br>(Lancaster University<br>Department of Linguistics and Modern English Language<br>CLSL<br>Centre for Language in Social Life<br>http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/groups/clsl/home.htm<br>Working Papers Series<br>http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/pubs/clsl/wpapers.htm)<br><br>"In 1926 the First Turcological Congress was held in Baku (Azerbaijan). During eight days of debate,<br>the merits
of retaining the Arabic script were compared with the benefits and costs of converting to<br>the Latin alphabet. The Latinists won the day, and the Latinisation of all the Turkic languages of the<br>U.S.S.R. was proclaimed official policy (Henze 1977:376).<br><br>"1.4 The New Turkic Alphabet<br><br>"One outcome of the First Turcological Congress was a blueprint for a unified alphabet for all the<br>Turkic languages. The New Turkic Alphabet (known as the Yanalif from the words for ‘new’ and<br>‘alphabet’) was eventually agreed by the All-Union Central Committee on the New Turkic<br>Alphabet which met in 1927 – 28."<br>* * *<br><p> 
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