dewell at adelphia.net
Sat Dec 9 22:14:26 CET 2006
Mark Davis wrote:
>> Michael is right on this one. Variants like "western" applied to the
>> "Western" version of different languages would violate Section 3.5
>> "change the semantic meaning") and should not be accepted.
> I disagree -- there is no general consensus on that; it was just silly
> to resort to constructed terms in a foreign language to avoid having
> useful, productive variants. (Might as well have had esternWay and
Preface those two sentences with "IMHO".
I don't personally want to reopen the "western" debate, but if you feel
it is desirable to have a variant "foo" that means different things when
applied to different languages, perhaps this would be a good time to
propose changes in RFC 4646bis to reduce or eliminate the restriction
against variants with unrelated meanings.
>> Even ICU has create the ersatz variants "revised" and "posix"
> The history is a bit off here. "revised" and "posix" predated 4646 by
> quite some time. The Unicode CLDR project was at its most recent
> version, V1.4, on 2006-07-16, while RFC 4646 was only finally approved
> afterwards, in September 2006.
> Moreover, the Unicode CLDR project has been moving towards changing
> these to be 4646 codes in LDML, as variants get encoded that can
> handle them (even if, like polytonic, suboptimally). This has been
> communicated in several emails on LTRU.
OK, I stand corrected on this. I do feel that variants are the right
place to put distinctions like monotonic vs. polytonic.
> The only remaining outlying case is POSIX, which we didn't think the
> ietf-languages group would buy off on. (It basically means using
> "neutral" terms corresponding to usage in computer languages). If
> someone where to come up with a good way to replace that with a 4646
> variant tag, I think the CLDR group would be all ears.
That's why I talked about "creating an extension for the latter,"
meaning "posix." It is not by any measure a language variant; it does
seem appropriate for an extension.
Doug Ewell * Fullerton, California, USA * RFC 4645 * UTN #14
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