Alemanic & Swiss German
Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com
Karen_Broome at spe.sony.com
Mon Dec 4 18:06:02 CET 2006
So should "Allemanisch" be added to the name_in_vern parameter to make it
clear that this dialect is included?
Maybe this helps:
A brief search on the web indicates that Alemanic/Alemannic -- when used
as a *noun* and not an adjective -- most commonly refers to the Austrian
form of Swiss German. The name_in_eng category clearly references a noun
and not an adjective. I believe the way Mark is using the term, he is
referring to an adjective.
However, the spelling "Alemannic" seems to be far more common than
Alemanic. I'm wondering if that's a spelling mistake on SIL that I copied
over assuming that resource to be authorative. If I were submitting this
application today, I would use the spelling with two n's.
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12/04/2006 08:28 AM
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RE: Alemanic & Swiss German
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-
> bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Doug Ewell
> Rather, the debate is whether "gsw" represents only Schwyzerdütsch per
> se, or other "Alemanic" languages and/or dialects which are not usually
> identified as Schwyzerdütsch, such as Swabian.
That is not under debate. The ID "gsw" denotes precisely one individual
language, which in English is commonly referred to as "Swiss German".
What is under debate is the name "Alemanic". It is a name used to refer to
a collection of languages constituting a genetic subnode of Germanic. For
that reason, Mark feels it is not appropriate to list "Alemanic" as a
I agree with Mark on the principle, that an ID should mean one thing only:
either it means an individual language, or it means a collection of
languages, but it does not mean both.
But what is unclear to me is whether the lexeme "Alemanic" has two
distinct senses. Ethnologue indicates that the individual language denoted
by "gsw" is referred to by Germanic-speaking peoples as "Schwyzerdütsch"
within Switzerland but elsewhere as "Alemanisch". In other words,
"Alemanisch" is a Germanic name for the individual language denoted by
"gsw". That suggests the possibility that "Alemanic" might similarly be
used with the meaning of that individual language.
If "Alemanic" is ever used with that sense, I think I can agree with Mark
that it is not commonly used as the English name for the individual
language in question, whereas it is commonly used for the collection of
related languages. Thus, I will agree with Mark that it is at best
misleading to list "Alemanic" as an English name for this individual
> Unless this thread has something to do with adding or changing an entry
> in the Registry, I agree with Michael that it should be confined to
> LTRU, and will post any future comments only to that list.
This thread very much has to do with entries in the Registry and is really
out of scope for LTRU.
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