Panagiotis Sikas sikas at
Thu Mar 17 12:23:27 CET 2005

I agree with this new language-tag definition, as it
clarifies the existance of the "katharevousa" (purified Greek
according to the document you are mentioning) variant.

As for the moment there are three propositions:

el-monoton:  modern Greek (dimotiki) "monotoniko"
el-polyton:  modern Greek (dimotiki) "polytoniko"
el-katharev: Greek in "katharevousa", always polytonic

That should cover most of the the cases, although in "katharevousa"
there are also two variants. Borrowing the terms from Yannis Haralambous
document a) ancient-like katharevousa and b) simple katharevousa  :(

I don't know if these two forms are standardized or not, but from
my point of view el-katharev should have the meaning of "simple

Best Regards

John Cowan wrote:
> Michael Everson scripsit:
>>>On the other hand defining just el-polyton is not enough. If 
>>>el-polyton is defined as a tag, then there is no indication if the 
>>>text is written in "katharevousa" or "dimotiki". The differences 
>>>between them are too many, not only orthographycally, but in 
>>>grammar, in vocabulary and more....
>>>Engaging a grammatical editor for polytonic Greek without knowing in 
>>>which of the two variants you are working will simply not work.
>>That might be an argument for additional tags for those grammatical 
>>variants, if it can be demonstrated that there is a need. 
>>Orthography, however, can be distinguished by the two tags proposed.
> Yannis Haralambous defines six subtypes of Greek orthography:
>         Ancient Greek, non-standardized
>         Ancient Greek, standardized polytonic
>         Katharevousa, standardized polytonic
>         Dimotiki, ad hoc transcription
>         Dimotiki, standardized polytonic
>         Dimotiki, standardized monotonic
> In , he gives the following
> examples of the last three (I~ = inverted iota with circumflex below):
>         Xarh~te neI~ai~s, xarh~te neI~oi` ta` drosera' sas neI~a~ta
>         Xarei~te neie's, xarei~te neioi` ta` drosera' sas neia'ta
>         Xarei'te nies, xarei'te nioi ta drosera' sas nia'ta
> Now we have no immediate need to deal with non-standardized orthographies,
> but there are huge amounts of taggable material from the 19th and 20th
> centuries in Katharevousa, all with a fairly standard representation
> (though it does change slightly over time, like most written conventions).
> I think therefore that we should have an el-* tag for it (el-kathar?
> el-katharev?  stupid 8-character limit!).  It is a distinctly separate
> variety of the language from either Ancient Greek or Dimotiki, and does
> not need a polytonic/monotonic distinction, as it is always polytonic.
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Name of requester          :  John Cowan
>    E-mail address of requester:  cowan at
>    Tag to be registered       :  el-katharev
>    English name of language   :  Katharevousa, Purified Modern Greek
>    Native name of language (transcribed into ASCII): ellenika katharevousa
>    Reference to published description of the language (book or article):
>         Mirambel, Andre. 1939. Precis de grammaire elementaire du grec
>         moderne. Paris: Societe d'editions "Les Belles Lettres".
>         Mirambel, Andre. 1959. La langue grecque moderne, description et
>         analyse. Paris: Librairie C. Klincksieck (Collection Linguistique
>         publiee par la Societe de Linguistique de Paris).
>    Any other relevant information:
>         Katharevousa was developed in the early 19th century as an
>         archaicizing form of Modern Greek, as if it had descended
>         directly from Ancient Greek with no foreign influences from
>         Latin, Italian, or Turkish.  It was the official variety of
>         Greek in Greece until 1976.  It is distinct in vocabulary,
>         morphosyntax, and orthography from the modern Greek standard.
>         It uses the same orthographical conventions as standardized
>         Ancient Greek.
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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