REQUEST FOR REGISTRATION: el-katharev (was: Distinguishing Greek
and Greek)
John Cowan
jcowan at reutershealth.com
Wed Mar 16 16:49:39 CET 2005
Michael Everson scripsit:
> >On the other hand defining just el-polyton is not enough. If
> >el-polyton is defined as a tag, then there is no indication if the
> >text is written in "katharevousa" or "dimotiki". The differences
> >between them are too many, not only orthographycally, but in
> >grammar, in vocabulary and more....
> >
> >Engaging a grammatical editor for polytonic Greek without knowing in
> >which of the two variants you are working will simply not work.
>
> That might be an argument for additional tags for those grammatical
> variants, if it can be demonstrated that there is a need.
> Orthography, however, can be distinguished by the two tags proposed.
Yannis Haralambous defines six subtypes of Greek orthography:
Ancient Greek, non-standardized
Ancient Greek, standardized polytonic
Katharevousa, standardized polytonic
Dimotiki, ad hoc transcription
Dimotiki, standardized polytonic
Dimotiki, standardized monotonic
In http://omega.enstb.org/yannis/pdf/boston99.pdf , he gives the following
examples of the last three (I~ = inverted iota with circumflex below):
Xarh~te neI~ai~s, xarh~te neI~oi` ta` drosera' sas neI~a~ta
Xarei~te neie's, xarei~te neioi` ta` drosera' sas neia'ta
Xarei'te nies, xarei'te nioi ta drosera' sas nia'ta
Now we have no immediate need to deal with non-standardized orthographies,
but there are huge amounts of taggable material from the 19th and 20th
centuries in Katharevousa, all with a fairly standard representation
(though it does change slightly over time, like most written conventions).
I think therefore that we should have an el-* tag for it (el-kathar?
el-katharev? stupid 8-character limit!). It is a distinctly separate
variety of the language from either Ancient Greek or Dimotiki, and does
not need a polytonic/monotonic distinction, as it is always polytonic.
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LANGUAGE TAG REGISTRATION FORM
Name of requester : John Cowan
E-mail address of requester: cowan at ccil.org
Tag to be registered : el-katharev
English name of language : Katharevousa, Purified Modern Greek
Native name of language (transcribed into ASCII): ellenika katharevousa
Reference to published description of the language (book or article):
Mirambel, Andre. 1939. Precis de grammaire elementaire du grec
moderne. Paris: Societe d'editions "Les Belles Lettres".
Mirambel, Andre. 1959. La langue grecque moderne, description et
analyse. Paris: Librairie C. Klincksieck (Collection Linguistique
publiee par la Societe de Linguistique de Paris).
Any other relevant information:
Katharevousa was developed in the early 19th century as an
archaicizing form of Modern Greek, as if it had descended
directly from Ancient Greek with no foreign influences from
Latin, Italian, or Turkish. It was the official variety of
Greek in Greece until 1976. It is distinct in vocabulary,
morphosyntax, and orthography from the modern Greek standard.
It uses the same orthographical conventions as standardized
Ancient Greek.
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