zh-Hant-xx, zh-Hans-xx

Wed Mar 16 18:51:10 CET 2005

(In the interest of consensus) I also support these.

Addison P. Phillips
Globalization Architect, Quest Software
Chair, W3C Internationalization Core Working Group

Internationalization is not a feature.
It is an architecture. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-
> bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Misha Wolf
> Sent: mercredi 16 mars 2005 09:45
> To: IETF Languages Discussion
> Subject: RE: zh-Hant-xx, zh-Hans-xx
> 
> I support these applications.
> 
> Misha
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-
> bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> Sent: 16 March 2005 17:41
> To: IETF Languages Discussion; Michael Everson
> Subject: Re: zh-Hant-xx, zh-Hans-xx
> 
> Here is the message from James. There must have been some problem in email,
> since you are included in the address list.
> 
> I don't know what else you want as far as concensus. I strongly favor
> these,
> and a number of others have spoken out in favor of them.
> 
> Mark
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Seng" <james at seng.cc>
> To: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
> Cc: "Peter Constable" <petercon at microsoft.com>; "James Seng"
> <jseng at pobox.org.sg>; <lee at cnnic.cn>; "Mark Davis"
> <mark.davis at unicode.org>;
> <mao at cnnic.cn>; "Yao Jiankang" <yaojk at cnnic.cn>
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:48
> Subject: Re: Status of zh-* proposals
> 
> 
> Jiankang,
> 
> The purpose of zh-* proposals started because Mark Davis have a whole
> set of Chinese documents needed to be encoded but does not fall exactly
> into zh-tw, zh-cn, etc.
> 
> This was 2-3 years back and I believe several Unicode experts have been
> consulted - check with Joe Zhang.
> 
> In short, I support the current zh-* into the IANA registries. The
> purpose for those tags have little to do with IDN.
> 
> And I agree with Michael - Morfin does not know what he is talking
> about.
> 
> ps: I am still the SC2 representative for Singapore and also for WG2
> and IRG and for Morfin to suggest I am not qualified, he is obviously
> out of line.
> 
> -James Seng
> 
> On 08-Mar-05, at AM 03:35, Michael Everson wrote:
> 
> > Dear Yao Jiankang,
> >
> > At 03:16 +0800 2005-03-08, Yao Jiankang wrote:
> >> Dear JEF and Michael,
> >>
> >>    Thanks a lot for JEF's comments. It is unwise to register
> >> Microsoft as the
> >> Referent of the Chinese languages in the IANA tables.
> >
> > I'm sorry to say so, but Mr Morfin doesn't have any idea what he is
> > talking about. I am copying three experts here who *can* talk sensibly
> > about these matters.
> >
> >> CNNIC under Chinese Academy of Sciences is authorized by state
> >> government and a non-profit organization which will be the best
> >> represenative in IANA for Chinese language tables.
> >>
> >> Now I am specilizing IDN and Internationalization of email address
> >> which are
> >> also have relative to Chinese Language Tables.
> >>
> >>    I also copy the letter to MAO Wei (General Director of CNNIC)and
> >> LEE Xiaodong
> >> (leader of technic department of CNNIC)for information.
> >>
> >>    Thanks a lot!
> >>
> >>
> >> Yao Jiankang
> >> CNNIC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ÔÚÄúµÄÀ´ÐÅÖÐÔø¾-Ìáµ½:
> >>> From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <jefsey at jefsey.com>
> >>> Reply-To:
> >>> To: michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Status of zh-* proposals
> >>> Date:Sun, 06 Mar 2005 05:31:33 +0100
> >>>
> >>> On 22:13 05/03/2005, Michael Everson said:
> >>>  >At 13:01 -0800 2005-03-05, Doug Ewell wrote:
> >>>  >>I was wondering about the status of the 10 proposals submitted a
> >>> month
> >>>  >>ago by Mark Davis, for tags of the form zh-{Hans, Hant}-{CN, HK,
> >>> MO, SG,
> >>>  >>TW}.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>In any case, it should be possible to demonstrate, using these
> >>> book
> >>>  >>references or otherwise, that (for instance) zh-TW differs from
> >>> zh-HK,
> >>>  >>that both can be and are written in either Hans or Hant, and that
> >>> there
> >>>  >>is a need to tag all four of these situations.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >I would like Mark and Peter to get James Seng's explicit view on
> >>> this, for
> >>>  >instance. He knows a lot about IDN, and about Chinese.
> >>>
> >>>  Dear Michael,
> >>>  I did not want to say this on the public list, but I do not think
> >>> it is a
> >>>  good idea for this list and for the IANA to ask James Seng to talk
> >>> on
> >>>  behalf of China. Nor to register Microsoft as the Referent of the
> >>> Chinese
> >>>  languages in the IANA tables. I even feel both are highly
> >>> inapropriate.
> >>>
> >>>  I gave you the list of the ccTLD Managers for the countries IBM and
> >>>  Microsoft want to be the Referent of the language. I can only
> >>> repeat my
> >>>  strong advise that you contact their ccTLD Managers first, as the
> >>> IESG
> >>>  registration adviser for the IANA language tag registry. By
> >>> courtesy and
> >>>  out of respect for their national sovereignty and for the authority
> >>> as the
> >>>  trustee of their local communities.
> >>>  jfc
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael Everson * * Everson Typography *  * http://www.evertype.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> ‎Mark
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Everson" <everson at evertype.com>
> To: "IETF Languages Discussion" <ietf-languages at iana.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 09:22
> Subject: Re: zh-Hant-xx, zh-Hans-xx
> 
> 
> > Mark, I do not have a record of discussion from James on this matter,
> > nor have I seen the consensus that I asked for from the IETF list.
> >
> > At 07:07 -0800 2005-03-16, Mark Davis wrote:
> > >You indicated that you were waiting on feedback from James Seng before
> > >approving these. He supplied his feedback, which was in favor. We need
> to
> > >get a resolution on these, and it is well past the two week period
> specified
> > >in http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3066.txt.
> > >
> > >Could you please let us know whether you are going to approve these or
> not,
> > >so that if you don't, we can begin the appeals process to the IESGas
> > >specified in RFC 3066?
> > >
> > >Mark
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael Everson * * Everson Typography *  * http://www.evertype.com
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