John Cowan jcowan at
Sat Feb 5 05:01:49 CET 2005

Peter Constable scripsit:

> I wonder if I could ask Michael or others to step aside from the debate
> of iu-Cans-CA / iu-Latn-CA for a second to comment on the other
> registrations I submitted -- or those that Mark submitted yesterday as
> well. I'd like to have an idea how many debates we may have on our
> hands, or on the other hand which of these I don't have to worry about.

Well, by my count there are 26 new tags proposed by you and Mark, which
I divide into four groups:  the xx-ssss ones (language and script), the
zh-yy-ssss (Chinese country and script), mn-yy-ssss (Mongolian country
and script), and the other xx-yy-ssss ones (other languages, country,
and script).  I'll discuss them separately.

The tags in the first group are bs-Cyrl, bs-Latn, iu-Cans, iu-Latn,
mn-Cyrl, mn-Mong, tg-Arab, and tg-Cyrl.  These all represent languages
(Bosnian, Inuktitut, Mongolian, and Tajik) with more than one script,
are closely analogous to tags already registered, and I think will be

The Chinese script-and-country tags are zh-Hans-CN, zh-Hans-HK,
zh-Hans-MO, zh-Hans-SG, zh-Hans-TW, zh-Hant-CN, zh-Hant-HK, zh-Hant-MO,
zh-Hant-SG, and zh-Hant-TW.  These are all attempts to clean up the
long-standing mess of using zh-CN and zh-TW to mean zh-Hans and zh-Hant
respectively, and I don't think they represent any problem, since Mandarin
Chinese is indeed used in all these countries, some emphasizing one
script, some another, but with exceptions all round.

Likewise, the Mongolian script-and-country tags are mn-Cyrl-MN and
mn-Mong-CN, which nicely represent the situation with the language,
which uses two scripts in two countries.  I think that mn-Mong-MN is also
well justified, and I'm actually surprised that it isn't registered or
applied for.  (Mongolian script has had quite a revival in Mongolia in
the last decade or so.)

The remaining language-script-and-country tags are bs-Cyrl-BA, bs-Latn-BA,
iu-Cans-CA, iu-Latn-CA, tg-Arab-TJ, and tg-Cyrl-TJ.  I think these
all have the same problem we've been discussing with iu-Cans-CA: no
evidence available that the country codes are anything but redundant.
I'd say that those six are the only ones that will be problematic.

Summary: Reconsider bs-Cyrl-BA, bs-Latn-BA, iu-Cans-CA, iu-Latn-CA,
tg-Arab-TJ, and tg-Cyrl-TJ; consider proposing mn-Mong-MN.

"But the next day there came no dawn,           John Cowan
and the Grey Company passed on into the         jcowan at
darkness of the Storm of Mordor and were
lost to mortal sight; but the Dead    
followed them.          --"The Passing of the Grey Company"

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