The Linguasphere proposal is NOT suited to RFC 3066(or itssuccessors) and its consuming protocols

[John Clews]

For these (reasons adduced below by Addison Phillips) and for other
similar and pobvious reason, Linguasphere coding of any format should NOT
be used in relation to RFC 3066 or RFC 3066bis.

In fact, I strongly consider that the Linguasphere documentation should
ITSELF state explicitly that Linguasphere codes of any format should NOT
be used in relation to RFC 3066 or RFC 3066bis.

Adding Linguasphere into the standards process (RFCs, ISO or other
standards) would only add confusion, to an area which many find very
difficult.

John Clews

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
> Subject: Comment on [Yes] The Linguasphere proposal is suited to
> RFC 3066(or itssuccessors) and its consuming protocols
> From:    "Addison Phillips [wM]" <aphillips at webmethods.com>
> Date:    Fri, June 4, 2004 11:41 pm
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Actually cy-cyde-prsl isn't valid today (except via tag registration).
Although the ABNF permits it, the text of RFC3066 does not. Generative use
of LS639 would require a revision to RFC 3066 or lots and lots of
registrations....

You'll note that the "hypothetical" RFC 3066 successor is also well
advanced and uses ISO 15924 alpha4 codes in a specific way that would
prevent LS639 codes from being used in the form you suggest. The private
use extension mechanism is available (so cy-x-cyde-prsl would be valid),
as is the extension mechanism.

Best Regards,

Addison

Addison P. Phillips
Director, Globalization Architecture
webMethods | Delivering Global Business Visibility
http://www.webMethods.com
Chair, W3C Internationalization (I18N) Working Group
Chair, W3C-I18N-WG, Web Services Task Force
http://www.w3.org/International

> Ooops.  This version is better :-)
>
> Misha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Misha Wolf
> Sent: 04 June 2004 20:22
> To: 'ietf-languages at iana.org'
> Subject: The Linguasphere proposal is suited to RFC 3066 (or its
successors) and its consuming protocols -- [YES/NO]
>
>
> I'd like to carry out an experiment and hope the list moderator
> doesn't object.  This is based on a system Michael Sperberg-McQueen used
with the W3C XML Schema WG.  The WG had a vast number of
> members and lots of decisions to make.  Sometimes email ballots
> were used, with the question and the vote both placed in the
> Subject line for automated processing.  I seem to recall that the idea
was that there was no need to read the mail itself, as the
> only relevant information was in the Subject line.
>
> If you agree with this experiment and have an opinion, please reply to
this mail, deleting either the "YES" or the "NO" from the Subject line.
>
> If you agree with this experiment and do not have an opinion, please
skip to the next mail in your Inbox.
>
> If you do not agree with this experiment and want to write a mail saying
that it is a load of nonsense, please leave both the "YES" and the "NO"
in place.
>
> Thanks
>
> Misha Wolf
> Standards Manager
> Product and Platform Architecture Group
> Reuters Limited
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Misha Wolf
> Sent: 04 June 2004 19:47
> To: ietf-languages at iana.org
> Subject: RE: Linguasphere -- An appeal for clarity
>
>
> Can we have a straw poll re Q2 ...?
>
>    Does anyone here consider the Linguasphere stuff to be suited to RFC
3066* and its consuming protocols?
>
> * or its successors
>
> Misha Wolf
> Standards Manager
> Product and Platform Architecture Group
> Reuters Limited
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no
> [mailto:ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Peter Constable
> Sent: 04 June 2004 19:41
> To: ietf-languages at iana.org
> Subject: RE: Linguasphere -- An appeal for clarity
>
>
> > From: ietf-languages-bounces at alvestrand.no [mailto:ietf-languages-
bounces at alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of Misha Wolf
>
>
> > Please can we keep separate the discussions...
>
> [in a subsequent message]
>
> > Reading the various mails, I feel that people are
> > arguing at cross-purposes.
>
> Debbie has made comments on this list suggesting positive answers for
both questions. As I'm concerned about what happens re Q2 but also about
how this community perceives what's happening in the ISO arena (Q1 --
e.g. Harald's response to DG's message expressing concern by *too much*
activity related to ISO 639), I felt it was appropriate to put both
issues into appropriate context.
>
> Re Q1, I have said that, at this time, the project Debbie is referring
to is not an ISO project, and that needs analysis has not been provided.
>
> Re Q2, I have said that needs analysis has not been provided, and that I
am inclined to think a huge codeset at the level of granularity proposed
would not be a good thing for a successor of RFC 3066 and its consuming
protocols.
>
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Constable
> Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies
> Microsoft Windows Division
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